Date: 4/30/26 9:07 am From: Joseph Wallace <joew701...> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Deborah Allen, please contact me
Jumping in before this thread is deleted to say that these facts are widely
known and discussed elsewhere. In my opinion, these for-profit walks and
the Twitter ("X") link they publicize are among the reasons (not the only
one!) why most birders have migrated to Discord and various other chat
channels. In those places, community standards and guidelines (e.g., don't
play tape overmuch or subject sensitive species to an inundation of birders
and photographers) are part of the deal and are more generally followed.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 11:29 AM A Birder (via NYSBIRDS-L list) <
<NYSBIRDS-L...> wrote:
>
> These are facts, not accusations.
>
> She sends an eBird list to the entire state each day. How is it
> informative beyond someone going to eBird and looking up checklists for
> Central Park? There is no useful commentary as seen in Tom’s thoughtful
> emails.
>
> The walks are illegal because they charge money without proper permits.
> They were ticketed for this and now specifically tell walkers ahead of time
> (in bold on their website) to not pay them until they are exiting the park
> to avoid being ticketed for the same offense again.
>
> Bob blasts calls on his speakers that are disruptive to other birders and
> other park goers. I have seen him even blast owl calls in the middle of the
> day and blast calls in the faces of those who were critical of his ethics.
>
> So please let me know which part of my accusations are inaccurate?
>
>
> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>
> On Thursday, April 30th, 2026 at 11:14 AM, Ken Gale <nuffsaid...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > That's a helluva accusation. Where is it coming from? Are you
> > criticizing Deborah's wonderfully informative daily posts of the birds
> > in Central Park? Or me doing an environmental radio show promoting
> > birds and the birding community for the past 24 years as a volunteer
> > producer and host? If you hadn't gone public with your accusation, I
> > would not have gone public with this defense. Neither belong on this
> > list, IMHO.
> >
> > Happy bird-day,
> > Ken
> > www.ecoradio.org
> >
> > When the air or water are clean, thank an environmentalist. If not,
> > become one. 'Nuff Said!
> >
> > On 4/30/2026 10:49 AM, A Birder wrote:
> > > It would be great if we stopped allowing daily emails from someone who
> is basically promoting their illegal, for-profit, and disruptive walks by
> spamming everyone with an eBird list sans commentary.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, April 30th, 2026 at 10:25 AM, Ken Gale <
> <nuffsaid...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, Deborah,
> > >> Your e-mail bounced back - over quota.
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Ken
> > >>
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