Date: 4/27/26 11:14 am From: Simon Thompson (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...> Subject: Re: Comments and recommendations on pelagic birding -- from the small boats to the larger cruise ships
Harry at al
Thanks for the information.
I have just returned from a cruise down the California coast and
unfortunately the 2 sea days had bad weather.
There are pros and cons as Harry mentioned and another point to bear in
mind is the age of the cruise
Ship. Newer ones don’t have the open bow which allows for easy (windy)
viewing, but at least you can access both port and starboard very quickly.
Many of the new ships don’t have promenade decks that encircle the whole
ship and you are restricted to viewing from one side or the other.
I was on the Ruby Princess which had a good promenade deck and a great
viewing area. We had a pretty good run - despite the weather.
Here’s the trip report:
https://ebird.org/tripreport/505336 Simon
Simon RB Thompson
Asheville, NC and Halesworth, Suffolk UK
Please use the Ventures e-Mail (<Venturesbirding...>) to contact the
Ventures office - thanks!
On Mon, 27 Apr 2026 at 10:22, Harry LeGrand <carolinabirds...> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I finally did my first pelagic birding trip from a major cruise line ship,
> after doing 80-100 pelagic trips from various sizes of boats and smaller
> naturalist trip ships. Though my sole experience on the 2,100-passenger
> Eurodam along the Pacific Coast of the USA a week ago will differ from
> other birders' experiences on cruise ships in other regions, such as
> Antarctica, at least now I have experienced birding with a scope on a ship
> (for better or worse). [The birds on this trip were quite skittish and
> mostly far from the ship, whereas in other areas they are more easily seen
> from the ships.] So, here are my recommendations for those who enjoy
> pelagic birds and birding as much as I do.
>
> *Single-day trips on boats* (6-man boats up to perhaps 50-passenger
> boats).
> POSITIVES:
> 1. large number of coastal locale options to choose from, with dozens of
> trips from some ports - such as from Hatteras Inlet (Seabirding Inc.) as
> well as places such as Monterey and other West Coast ports.
> 2. Closeness of the birds to the boat. The smaller the vessel, the less
> shy birds are.
> 3. Potential for the skipper/leader to have the boat chase after a rare
> bird flying away or to travel to a distant bird or flock of birds to get
> closer
> 4. always a large number of other birders on board, assuming a boat
> chartered for this purpose
>
> NEGATIVES:
> 1. Poor weather can often cause cancellation (or postponement) of the trip
> 2. Boat rocks more than on larger boats and ships; thus many people who
> get seasick will avoid this option
> 3. More costly than with other options, and some to many all-day trips can
> cost $200 or more a person.
>
>
> *Multiple day trips on naturalist ships* (typically 50-150 passengers for
> 1-2 weeks or more)
> POSITIVES:
> 1. More stable vessel for holding steady, though still not suitable for
> scopes; birds are not too distant, and most can be identified with
> binoculars
> 2. Nearly always several hired birders or naturalists on the cruise who
> assist or lead passengers in identifying birds; usually quite a few birders
> on board as well, and thus usually many people on board to spot and
> identify birds
> 3. Most vessels have small Zodiacs that will ferry passengers to shore at
> various stops, often two visits per day.
> 4. Routes are usually 500 miles or more long and with a good potential for
> dozens of pelagic species
>
> NEGATIVES:
> 1. Costly, as most trips will run $500 or more a day, such as $5000 or
> more for a 10-day trip; food included, but often set lunch and dinner menus
> 2. Scopes are not feasible, as the vessels still rock a bit
> 3. Normally, these small ships do not veer off the set course to examine a
> distant flock of birds
>
> *Multiple day trips on cruise ships* (typically 1,000 or more passengers,
> for 5 days or more)
> POSITIVES:
> 1. Quite inexpensive, often averaging about $200/day that includes all
> you-can-eat buffets and free entertainment options
> 2. The vessel is large enough to be quite stable, with often little
> rocking; so scope can be used
> 3. Though cruise ships do not normally have hired birders on board, there
> may well be birding groups onboard with their own leaders and experts
> 4. The routes are often 1,000 miles long or more and thus there is a
> potential for a long list of species
>
> NEGATIVES:
> 1. Birds can often be far away, especially on the open sea. Even with a
> scope, smaller species such as storm-petrels and most alcids can be
> difficult to ID. Thankfully, birds are less flighty along a shoreline or
> next to the coast.
> 2. More red-tape in booking and boarding with a major cruise line, though
> not much more than with a naturalist cruise company; packing and dealing
> with scopes on ships can be risky and troublesome.
> 3. The very large number of people on-board (a few thousand), often
> leading to crowded conditions at dining facilities.
>
>
> I hope this helps, but the main choice(s) of vessel type depends mostly on
> where you want to go and what species you are most interested in (and that
> includes mammals such as whales, dolphins, seals, Polar Bears, and
> Walruses) -- and secondarily on the size of the vessel you want to use for
> travel. You will find that some species you want to see can only
> reasonably be reached with a large cruise ship, or with a naturalist ship,
> whereas other species are best searched for on single-day boat trips --
> such as looking for Gulf Stream birds off the NC coast.
>
> Harry LeGrand
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>
