Date: 4/19/26 8:33 pm
From: Robert O'Brien <00001bb3f9cc1f1f-dmarc-request...>
Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] What, truly, is "Nelson's Gull?"
Yep, and thus Nelson's Gull does not appear in the Macaulay Bird Library.
GlaucousXHerring has lots of photos though
https://search.macaulaylibrary.org/catalog?taxonCode=x01131

As for VegaX,.... there are very few photos and 'they' are punting on what
they are. The listing is
American Herring/Vega/European Herring x Glaucous Gull (hybrid) - Larus
https://search.macaulaylibrary.org/catalog?taxonCode=nelgul

If you select a photo, then the original checklist will be available.

Bob OBrien Portland OR


On Sun, Apr 19, 2026 at 7:27 PM <chucao...> wrote:

> Tony
>
> Amar suggested this some years back. But in the end it really does not
> matter in the usage of the term "Nelson's Gull" as it is not a valid taxon.
> It does not need to follow any specific rules of taxonomy or naming. So if
> we have taken Nelson's Gull to mean American Herring x Glaucous, then we
> should keep using that even if the first Nelson's Gull might have been
> something else.
>
> Alvaro
>
> Alvaro Jaramillo
> <alvaro...>
> www.alvarosadventures.com
>
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> Subject: [BIRDWG01] What, truly, is "Nelson's Gull?"
>
> Hi all:
> It suddenly came to me when doing some review work that, with the recent
> taxonomic changes in what we used to call Herring Gull (sensu largo), the
> moniker "Nelson's Gull" is possibly not correctly associated with Glaucous
> Gull x American Herring Gull. Given that the type specimen was collected in
> June at "St. Michael's" (now St. Michael) on the western shore of Alaska
> due E of St. Lawrence Island, might this hybrid be referable to Glaucous x
> Vega? I don't know where the specimen is currently housed (it was
> originally deposited in the US Nat'l Mus.; 97253; Henshaw 1884), but it
> might be quite useful for someone to track that thing down. Perhaps that
> task has already been completed. If so, I'd love to know the result.
> Henshaw, H. W. 1884. On a New Gull from Alaska. The Auk 1 (3):250-252. (On
> a New Gull from Alaska) Tony Tony LeukeringDenver, COeBird blog eBird
> commentaryPhotos
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