Date: 12/12/25 9:17 am From: Sammy Cowell via groups.io <samueldavidcowell...> Subject: Re: [EBB-Sightings] Rock Sandpiper and the county line
My feeling is that since eBird's main purpose is citizen
science/conservation, I don't think it's the ultimate end-all-be-all
authority for things like county record keeping. While the eBird protocol
"allows" for counting birds seen from one area while they are in another,
that sort of feels against the "spirit" of county/state listing, etc.
Obviously, birds don't care about arbitrary geopolitical boundaries, but
some of us birders still do! If that's something you care about, the eBird
protocol does provide a helpful commentary on using incomplete lists if you
are purposefully emitting birds seen in different geopolitical areas:
https://support.ebird.org/en/support/solutions/articles/48001059718-ebird-policies-for-special-birding-circumstances#anchorCountyListing
eBird is still extremely helpful to get a quick snapshot of records of the
area, so if one does view the bird in a different county than their actual
location, I think it would be helpful to put that in the notes for people
who care about such things.
Sammy Cowell
Valley Springs, CA
On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 8:36 AM Maureen Lahiff via groups.io <MLahiff=
<aol.com...> wrote:
> Expanding on Bruce’s comments, I have a question.
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> I’ve had the privilege of birding along the Rio Grande in Texas, at places
> where one can look into Mexico.
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> The trip leaders did the eBird lists for us, using hotspots in Mexico for
> the birds we saw on the far shore. So I have 24 birds in Mexico, observed
> from the US.
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> Maureen Lahiff
> (I’m not a county lister.)
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> On Friday, December 12, 2025, 8:13 AM, Bruce Mast via groups.io
> <cathrasher4...> wrote:
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> I'm not sure what all the consternation regarding the county line is
> about. Just treat the ambiguous zone as a DMZ. Per the eBird protocol, it
> doesn't matter where the bird is, just where you are. So you stand south of
> the DMZ and tick the sandpiper in Alameda, then walk north of the DMZ,
> start a new list, and tick the bird again in CoCo. Voila, county bird in
> both counties! LOL
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> Bruce Mast
> Oakland
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> On Thu, Dec 11, 2025 at 9:28 PM Ethan Monk via groups.io <z.querula=
> <gmail.com...> wrote:
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> Hi folks,
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> As most all are aware, this morning Kevin McKereghan and Tera Freedman
> found a Rock Sandpiper at the mouth of Cerrito Creek, in the Albany
> Crescent. While bare part color was suggestive, additional photos of the
> wingstripe are out and confirm this bird as a Rock, rather than a Purple,
> Sandpiper. For what it is worth, a number of people have mentioned the
> underwing color as a diagnostic difference here. I had never heard of this
> so was intrigued, went home and scrolled through Macaulay for a bit and can
> now say I observe no difference. But maybe I am missing it.
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> The bird spent much of its time sleeping, originally very close to the
> grassy edge where it was hidden unless you were to walk out onto the mud,
> and then later far out on the mudflats. The mud is shallowest north, as you
> get into Contra Costa County, so when the tide came up, the bird seemed to
> go south as the northern mudflats vanished more quickly. The creek mouth of
> Cerrito Creek is most productive at maybe just under a 3ft tide (there is a
> station at Pt. Isabel). At about 3 feet the habitat is gone, and all is to
> the south. In the evening the light is horrible, because you are looking
> west, so I would target a mid tide (~2-2.5 feet) and not later in the day,
> if possible, and would look from the creek mouth to maybe a thousand feet
> south of.
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> At one point today, the bird was on the creek's north bank, but most of
> the time was a few hundred yards south. There are no records of this
> species for Contra Costa, so it would be nice to have a record there! The
> CalTrans signage, on their website and on the highway seem to show the
> creek as the county line. This includes the actual markers painted on 580
> for the road crews, not just the green signs for the drivers. This has been
> the traditional belief of birders, too, probably because of these
> conspicuous signs, but as we all know there is controversy here. The Contra
> Costa County Assessor's Office maps the county line about 130 feet north of
> the creek (this varies based on where you measure from, and what the tide
> is doing) *but *the Alameda County Assessor's Office has their county
> line about 30 feet north of that! Today at its northmost, a few of us
> watched the bird maybe thirty feet north of the middle of the creek. So it
> was not quite there, by the two assessor's offices, but close.
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> I tried to call CalTrans to figure out where they get their map data from,
> but I couldn't get to a person at the Oakland office.
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> Ethan Monk
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