Date: 10/31/25 10:59 am From: Robert O'Brien via Tweeters <tweeters...> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] California scrub jay - Wikipedia
P.S. And I don't believe I've ever had fledgling Scrubs come to these
feeders. The Steller's Jays, on the other hand, bring their fledglings
immediately to the feeders, telling them *You're on your own now, kids.*
On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 10:33 AM Robert O'Brien <baro...> wrote:
> Here 20mi SE of Portland in a rural area ,the Scrub/Stellar (sic)
> Situation is exactly the same as Steve Loitz states. Exactly, and has been
> this way for 50 years. We get Scrub Jays coming up to us from the
> residential areas along the Clackamas River only in the summer when the
> babies are demanding a lot of food and we have available feeders in a
> coniferous/mixed habitat.. Always overrun by Steller's Jays.
> Bob OBrien Portland
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 8:01 AM Steve Loitz via Tweeters <
> <tweeters...> wrote:
>
>> Ann, I have not seen any evidence that CASJs are pushing out STJAs in and
>> around Ellensburg. There is little overlap of their respective habitats.
>> Our CASJs are mostly in riparian zones and residential landscaped areas.
>> STJAs tend to stick to areas with confiers. We have seen them on the same
>> property, but no obvious antagonism.
>>
>> OTOH, CASJs may well be competition with Black-billed Magpies in some
>> places in our areas. I have some bickering between those two species.
>>
>> YMMV on the Wet Side of the Cascades, of course.
>>
>> Steve Loitz
>> Ellensburg
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 9:03 PM Ann Kramer <lens4birds...> wrote:
>>
>>> I will be sad if the Steller's Jay's are pushed out of our area. We are
>>> heavily forested with NGPA forests around, and I've only seen one Scrub Jay
>>> over the years. The Stellar's come to the suet as a family unit, and they
>>> are the only brave enough to harass a Cooper's or Sharp-Shinned Hawk far
>>> from the busy feeders we have. They are amazing to watch, as they work as
>>> a team to chase the Hawks and then quickly fly away, squawking, as it turns
>>> on them. Such a lot of moxie!!!
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 12:13 PM Steve Loitz via Tweeters <
>>> <tweeters...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> CASJs are now in and around Ellensburg. A few years ago, it was rare to
>>>> see one north of Yakima.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Loitz
>>>> Ellensburg WA
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:45 AM Chuq Von Rospach via Tweeters <
>>>> <tweeters...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 27, 2025 at 11:36:37, Stephen Elston via Tweeters <
>>>>> <tweeters...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am regularly seeing California Scrub Jay in the Greenwood
>>>>>> neighborhood of Seattle. The Stelars Jays still outnumber them
>>>>>> significantly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For better and worse, Scrub Jays are quite good at expanding
>>>>> territory. Back when I was living in California there was an area I was
>>>>> monitoring regularly over a number of years, and over about a decade, we
>>>>> saw it go from being primarily a Stellar’s Jay area to Scrub Jay territory
>>>>> with only a couple of isolated Stellar’s families in the deeper wooded
>>>>> areas. I expect by now the Stellar’s have been completely pushed out. Scrub
>>>>> Jays keep more of a family unit going than Stellar’s, which I think gives
>>>>> them an advantage when competing for territory (much like Northern
>>>>> Mockingbirds do). The Scrub Jays adapt much more easily to suburban and
>>>>> urban environments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuq
>>>>>
>>>>>
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