Date: 10/12/25 8:17 am From: <arbour...> via groups.io <arbour...> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Paul:
No I don't. But I am keeping my eyes open for one.
David Arbour
From: "Paul Dickson" <Paul...>
To: <muthdp...>, "Paul Conover" <zoiseaux...>, "David Arbour" <arbour...>
Cc: "LABIRD" <labird...>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 7:06:59 AM
Subject: RE: [labird] Listing Groups
Caleb: Great bird! I know of no historical record for the Red River drainage in Arkansas or Louisiana and there are none on Ebird.
David Arbour do you have a record at Red Slough?
Paul
From: <labird...> <labird...> On Behalf Of David P. Muth via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 7:58 PM
To: Paul Conover <zoiseaux...>
Cc: LABIRD <labird...>
Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
Caleb--
Good job finding the VGSW and taking swallow away from Conover.
David Muth
David P. Muth
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 3:11 PM Paul Conover < [ mailto:<zoiseaux...> | <zoiseaux...> ] > wrote:
> David, labird,
>
> That's how it works, and now's a good time for it.
>
> PEC
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "David P. Muth" < [ mailto:<muthdp...> | <muthdp...> ] >
> Date: 10/4/25 2:47 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Paul Conover < [ mailto:<zoiseaux...> | <zoiseaux...> ] >
> Cc: LABIRD < [ mailto:<labird...> | <labird...> ] >
> Subject: Re: [labird] Listing Groups
>
> The challenge is for someone to find a one-day wonder Violet-green Swallow
> away from southwest Louisiana so that a certain person will no longer have
> run that table.
>
> David P. Muth
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2025, 2:39 PM Paul Conover via [ http://groups.io/ |
groups.io ] <zoiseaux=
> [ mailto:<lusfiber.net...> | <lusfiber.net...> ] > wrote:
>
>> I guess there are a lot of ways to look at it, but all of them are good
>> ways to pass the time when birds are on the mind but birding isn't on
>> the table. Lord knows I'd love to look out the window and see a
>> Lucifer's to fill in my state hummer card, but at the same time, I'd
>> like to see any hummer species that would make #9 for the yard. I'm easy.
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2025 2:28 PM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> >
>> > Paul, of course I like to fill up a page though I really think of
>> > every member of our avian biota in terms of genus rather than by pages
>> > in the field guide. And, I would be very pleased to add Lucifer
>> > Hummingbird to my Louisiana list . . . this is especially troubling
>> > because the Lucifer-looking hummer that I banded in River Ridge about
>> > 20 years ago turned out to be a hybrid. Previously, I had banded a
>> > couple of dozen of them in West Texas.
>> >
>> > Titanium Nan
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:06 AM Paul Conover < [ mailto:<zoiseaux...> | <zoiseaux...> ] >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Nancy, Labird,
>> >
>> > Come on now, Titanium One, you know you used to like it
>> > when you filled in a page:)
>> >
>> > And I know you'd be thrilled to get your Louisiana hummer
>> > card all filled in!
>> >
>> > PEC
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/4/2025 9:41 AM, Nancy L Newfield wrote:
>> >> Gee Paul,
>> >>
>> >> You surely are a trouble-maker!
>> >>
>> >> NLN
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 9:36 PM Paul Conover via [ http://groups.io/ |
groups.io ]
>> >> < [ http://groups.io/ | http://groups.io ] > < [ mailto:<zoiseaux...> | <zoiseaux...> ] > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Labird,
>> >>
>> >> In the days when field guides took eternities between
>> >> editions and
>> >> birders tended to carry their battered copies of Peterson or
>> >> the Golden
>> >> Guide to the edge of doom, it used to be a thrill when I
>> >> could check off
>> >> every species portrayed on a page, all the buntings or
>> >> woodpeckers or
>> >> whatever. I found over the years that I wasn't unique in
>> >> celebrating
>> >> these small accomplishments, and when I'd compare notes with
>> >> other
>> >> birders, it was interesting to see whether the blanks on our
>> >> pages were
>> >> misses in common or just personal nemeses.
>> >>
>> >> Nowadays I tend to apply that exercise to groups of birds
>> >> I've seen
>> >> in Louisiana. Typically there's a species or two in each
>> >> group that I
>> >> realize have kept most/all Louisiana birders from running the
>> >> table on
>> >> certain groups. In some cases, it's pretty likely that no one
>> >> will ever
>> >> be able to complete a group list.
>> >>
>> >> Here's a list of groups (fairly arbitrarily grouped in some
>> >> cases) and my best guess of whether anyone has seen them all.
>> >> Some
>> >> smaller groupings (swans, jaegers, etc.) I omitted, and I
>> >> also removed
>> >> extinct or probably extinct species. I'll leave names of
>> >> birders out.
>> >>
>> >> Geese: Several birders have seen them all, with the limiting
>> >> species
>> >> being Brant.
>> >>
>> >> Ducks: No one (Origin Hypothetical Baikal Teal is the catch).
>> >>
>> >> Grebes: No current birders. Least Grebe! Maybe Lowery had
>> >> them all, if
>> >> he had Red-necked.
>> >>
>> >> Doves and Pigeons: Only those who have seen Band-tailed, the
>> >> only hard one.
>> >>
>> >> Anis and Cuckoos: No one (Smooth-billed Ani). Mangrove Cuckoo
>> >> next hardest.
>> >>
>> >> Nightjars: Several birders who saw/heard the sole Antillean
>> >> Nighthawk
>> >> record.
>> >>
>> >> Hummingbirds: Maybe one; the speed bump is Lucifer Hummingbird.
>> >>
>> >> Rails: Many
>> >>
>> >> Shorebirds: Probably; toughest is Siberian Sand-plover, and
>> >> Black-tailed
>> >> Godwit also narrows the field.
>> >>
>> >> Gulls: No one. Black-headed, Heermann's, and Western make it
>> >> tough, and
>> >> Kelp might be hard to get again.
>> >>
>> >> Terns: Several birders
>> >>
>> >> Loons: Some; not sure how many.
>> >>
>> >> Shearwaters: No one; Manx and Sooty are the limiters, and
>> >> Cory's and
>> >> Scopoli's are probably still only unofficially on lists.
>> >>
>> >> Sulids: A few; Red-footed is the hard one.
>> >>
>> >> Herons: Many (even if Great White Heron is included).
>> >>
>> >> Hawks: No one if Goshawk is included; very few otherwise
>> >> because of
>> >> Zone-tailed Hawk.
>> >>
>> >> Owls: No one, I think. Snowy (did anyone chase it?) and
>> >> Flammulated
>> >> would be a tough pair.
>> >>
>> >> Woodpeckers: No one. No one has all three of Williamson's and
>> >> Red-naped
>> >> sapsuckers, and Ladder-backed.
>> >>
>> >> Falcons: A few--Those who have seen Prairie Falcon.
>> >>
>> >> Flycatchers: None. Many tough ones.
>> >>
>> >> Vireos: No one; Plumbeous, Cassin's.
>> >>
>> >> Corvids: One birder. Clark's Nutcracker and Chihuahuan Raven
>> the
>> >> limiting species.
>> >>
>> >> Swallows: One birder.
>> >>
>> >> Wrens: Many
>> >>
>> >> Mimids: Many thanks to stakeout Curve-billed.
>> >>
>> >> Thrushes: Probably several. Varied and Townsend's Solitaire
>> >> the hard pair.
>> >>
>> >> Longspurs: Several, I think.
>> >>
>> >> Sparrows: No one; Tree Sparrow, Baird's, Brewer's...
>> >>
>> >> Orioles: Many
>> >>
>> >> Blackbirds: Many
>> >>
>> >> Warblers: Probably none. Virginia's and Hermit, followed by
>> >> several
>> >> other tough ones that were however more widely viewed.
>> >>
>> >> Tanagers: Many
>> >>
>> >> Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings: None. Varied Bunting, Blue
>> >> Bunting,
>> >> Pyrrhuloxia...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone see any errors or omissions here?
>> >>
>> >> Paul Conover
>> >>
>> >> Lafayette
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> Nancy L Newfield
>> >> Casa ColibrÃ
>> >> Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> >> [ mailto:<nancy...> | <nancy...> ]
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Nancy L Newfield
>> > Casa ColibrÃ
>> > Metairie, Louisiana USA
>> > [ mailto:<nancy...> | <nancy...> ]
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
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