Date: 10/10/25 10:55 am From: George Miller via Tweeters <tweeters...> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] [obol] Re: Steller's Jay with Salmon eggs - A question for you
IIRC , the German forester Peter Wohlleben expounds into the subject of
salmon and nutrient distribution in his book “Forest Walking”.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 23:30 Alan Roedell via Tweeters <
<tweeters...> wrote:
> Remarkable! Firm evidence that farmed salmon are not an acceptable
> substitute for wild fish.
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 6:52 PM Robert O'Brien via Tweeters <
> <tweeters...> wrote:
>
>> To carry on Wayne's comments, over the last few years there has been
>> growing realization and publications that such feeding by widespread
>> organisms spreads nutrients from the salmon throughout the watershed.
>> Thereby distributing theses nutrients not only in the steam but widespread
>> onto the land. I would never had thought of that. Here is one reference
>> of many, many. Not necessarily the best one, but what I found with limited
>> effort.
>> Bob OBrien Carver OR
>> https://pacificwild.org/salmon-a-keystone-species/ >>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:01 PM Wayne Hoffman <dmarc-noreply...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> About 25 years ago I heard a seminar by researchers who studied a small
>>> river tributary to Hood Canal, WA, where Chum Salmon spawned *en masse*.
>>> They recorded well over 100 different species of vertebrates feeding on
>>> salmon eggs and/or the carcasses of spawned-out salmon. In addition to the
>>> expected bears, eagles, and ravens, these ranged from Black-tailed Deer
>>> biting chunks of flesh from carcasses, to Song Sparrows and other small
>>> songbirds carrying off eggs one at a time.
>>>
>>> Salmon grow from small smolts to large adults at sea, then return and
>>> die, significantly enriching the streams and surrounding forest where they
>>> spawn.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Dan Gleason" <dmarc-noreply...>
>>> *To: *"rickd" <rickd...>
>>> *Cc: *"Oregon Birders OnLine" <obol...>, "COBOL" <
>>> <COBOL...>, <tweeters...>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 9, 2025 3:02:46 PM
>>> *Subject: *[obol] Re: Steller's Jay with Salmon eggs - A question for
>>> you
>>>
>>> What you are saying is the expanded skin showing the contents of the
>>> gular pouch not the crop. The large gular pouch enable Steller's J's to
>>> carry a large number of seeds, which they then carry away and store and
>>> small cashes for later use. The amount that they can carry in this pouch,
>>> of course varies with the size of the seeds or other food they are taking,
>>> but it is a significant number. I want watched a Steller's Jay taking four
>>> hole on shelled peanuts before flying off.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2025, at 7:00 AM, rick <dmarc-noreply...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning.
>>>
>>> In the attached picture of a Steller’s Jay gathering Salmon eggs from a
>>> small river which we visited recently, it appears that the Jay is filling
>>> its craw with Salmon eggs.
>>>
>>> The craw appears to have transparent properties…or is the craw
>>> damaged/ripped?
>>>
>>> Researching this question on the internet did not provide me an answer
>>> to this question.
>>>
>>> Your help in answering this question is appreciated.
>>>
>>> No, this picture was not taken in Oregon or Washington.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> <_52J7010 v2 lowres.jpg>
>>>
>>>
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