Date: 10/9/25 11:50 pm From: Alan Roedell via Tweeters <tweeters...> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] [obol] Re: Steller's Jay with Salmon eggs - A question for you
Remarkable! Firm evidence that farmed salmon are not an acceptable
substitute for wild fish.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 6:52 PM Robert O'Brien via Tweeters <
<tweeters...> wrote:
> To carry on Wayne's comments, over the last few years there has been
> growing realization and publications that such feeding by widespread
> organisms spreads nutrients from the salmon throughout the watershed.
> Thereby distributing theses nutrients not only in the steam but widespread
> onto the land. I would never had thought of that. Here is one reference
> of many, many. Not necessarily the best one, but what I found with limited
> effort.
> Bob OBrien Carver OR
> https://pacificwild.org/salmon-a-keystone-species/ >
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:01 PM Wayne Hoffman <dmarc-noreply...>
> wrote:
>
>> About 25 years ago I heard a seminar by researchers who studied a small
>> river tributary to Hood Canal, WA, where Chum Salmon spawned *en masse*.
>> They recorded well over 100 different species of vertebrates feeding on
>> salmon eggs and/or the carcasses of spawned-out salmon. In addition to the
>> expected bears, eagles, and ravens, these ranged from Black-tailed Deer
>> biting chunks of flesh from carcasses, to Song Sparrows and other small
>> songbirds carrying off eggs one at a time.
>>
>> Salmon grow from small smolts to large adults at sea, then return and
>> die, significantly enriching the streams and surrounding forest where they
>> spawn.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Dan Gleason" <dmarc-noreply...>
>> *To: *"rickd" <rickd...>
>> *Cc: *"Oregon Birders OnLine" <obol...>, "COBOL" <
>> <COBOL...>, <tweeters...>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 9, 2025 3:02:46 PM
>> *Subject: *[obol] Re: Steller's Jay with Salmon eggs - A question for you
>>
>> What you are saying is the expanded skin showing the contents of the
>> gular pouch not the crop. The large gular pouch enable Steller's J's to
>> carry a large number of seeds, which they then carry away and store and
>> small cashes for later use. The amount that they can carry in this pouch,
>> of course varies with the size of the seeds or other food they are taking,
>> but it is a significant number. I want watched a Steller's Jay taking four
>> hole on shelled peanuts before flying off.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2025, at 7:00 AM, rick <dmarc-noreply...> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning.
>>
>> In the attached picture of a Steller’s Jay gathering Salmon eggs from a
>> small river which we visited recently, it appears that the Jay is filling
>> its craw with Salmon eggs.
>>
>> The craw appears to have transparent properties…or is the craw
>> damaged/ripped?
>>
>> Researching this question on the internet did not provide me an answer to
>> this question.
>>
>> Your help in answering this question is appreciated.
>>
>> No, this picture was not taken in Oregon or Washington.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> <_52J7010 v2 lowres.jpg>
>>
>>
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