Date: 7/2/25 5:08 am
From: tom none <jtcurt325...>
Subject: Re: [cobirds] Abridged summary of - 11 updates in 5 topics
Re: yellow grosbeak status. Birds have wings. This may sound flippant, but
there are numerous accepted reports for birds that are far out of range. I
found a lesser sand-plover in Florida and a curlew sandpiper in Missouri,
both of which were some thousands of miles from their home range. In fact,
the subspecies of the sandplover was that which breeds in
northeastern Asia, it had to cross into Alaska (probably) and then move
diagonally across Canada and Continental US. One might argue that these are
migratory species, so being out of range is not too surprising. However,
when researching a southern lapwing I found in Florida, I came across a
paper that found that, in families that have long-distance migratory
species, their non-migratory counter-parts retained the physiological
capability for migration. So just because a species is non-migratory, does
not mean it is incapable of long-distance movements. A second more recent
paper found that, when examining genes that are thought to be responsible
for migration, migratory non-migratory species were indistinguishable.
Further, a phylogenetic examination of the Cardinaliidae reveals multiple
end groups that are migratory. This suggests that either a migratory life
strategy evolved in multiple branches, or was present in the last common
ancestor. If the latter is true, then many species in the cardinal family
may have the tools for long-distance movement, they just don't need to use
them. Finally, someone mentioned that yellow grosbeaks are kept as cage
birds in Mexico. I'm not sure that this is pertinent, since captive or, it
still had to get from Mexico to Estes Park.

Hope this is of interest,

Tom Curtis

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> John Shenot <johnshenot...>: Jun 29 07:31PM -0700
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> I was pleased to have the chance to see the Yellow Grosbeak in Estes Park
> today. Even so, I find myself wondering if anyone on this group has
> considered (perhaps privately?) that it might be an ...more
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> linda hodges <hikerhodges...>: Jun 29 08:48PM -0600
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> Hmmm, it appears that YEGRs have been seen in AZ, NM, CA, CO and IA, so
> perhaps an occasional appearance isn't out of order. You may recall that
> one was seen in Huerfano Cty in May of 2021.
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> Susan Rosine <u5b2mtdna...>: Jun 29 10:02PM -0600
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> To my knowledge, they are not at all suitable to be a pet/caged bird.
> Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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> Susan Rosine
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> Steingraeber,David <David.Steingraeber...>: Jun 30 05:55PM
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> Apparently, Yellow Grosbeaks are known to be kept as cage birds. In Rare
> Birds of North America by Howell, Lewington & Russell, the authors state,
> "Because yellow grosbeaks are kept in captivity ...more
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> Peter Burke <peterburke...>: Jun 30 02:36PM -0600
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> Hi David,
> You bring up a good point regarding the Yellow Grosbeak(s)? in Colorado,
> which have now been documented in four counties(!). There has been a spate
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> Susan Rosine <u5b2mtdna...>: Jun 30 04:48PM -0600
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> I wonder where they are (were) kept as caged birds? Native song birds are
> illegal to keep as pets, and the Migratory Bird Treaty Act covers the
> Yellow Grosbeak.
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> Chip Dawes <chipdawes...>: Jun 29 01:50PM -0600
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> Marty <wolfmartinc...>: Jun 29 11:20PM -0600
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> Greetings Cobirders,
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> I have to share (in description, as I didn't get any photos) what I
> witnessed earlier this (Sunday) morning, & have been processing since...
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> zroadrunner14 <zroadrunner14...>: Jun 29 07:41PM -0600
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> Birders
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> I have been experiencing a glitch w/the map link in eBird reports. I don't
> get the map of where the bird was seen, but something unrelated.
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> Is anyone else having this problem?
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> Susan Rosine <u5b2mtdna...>: Jun 29 09:57PM -0600
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> Not THAT problem, but today eBird was telling me that several common birds
> were Infrequent or Unreported, which is weird, because I bird the area a
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> zroadrunner14 <zroadrunner14...>: Jun 29 07:45PM -0600
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