Thanks Donna! That was poor and inaccurate writing on my part. I took for
granted that feeder would be cleaned first and only then sanitized.
Some research in which we assisted required more stringent
requirements such as autoclaved equipmentm a significant expense for
volunteer. Thankfully, the lead agency always provided that equipment.
The last we worked was the previous bird flu outbreak do it has been awhile
but I understand the protocols are nearly the same.
Thanks for catching my inaccuracy.
John
On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 3:09 PM Donna Lee Scott <dls9...> wrote:
> Sorry about the vague “mild” ref. to bleach solution. I meant people
> should follow directions on the bleach bottle for a final sanitizing.
>
>
>
> I have to differ with John on the part about using a 10% bleach solution
> as the “wash, plus sanitize” in one step.
>
>
>
> In Food Science education, I used to teach my Extension Agents, restaurant
> workers and others, in my Cooperative Extension food safety workshops, that
> we need to wash dishes etc. with soapy water to get all the “dirt” and food
> matter off,
>
> BECAUSE BLEACH IS MADE INACTIVE BY A LOT OF DIRT AND PARTICULATES.
>
> And certainly all the gunk from bird food and bird poop, etc. is a lot of
> particulate matter on the bird feeders.
>
>
>
> If the bleach is made inactive by being tied up by particulates, it will
> not kill the germs.
>
>
>
> So, that is why I say wash (scrub/soapy water) all the stuff off first,
> rinse with clean water, then sanitize with a bleach solution according to
> the bottle directions. Let bleach water dry on the feeder.
>
>
>
> It’s not as hard as it sounds.
>
> Donna 😊
>
>
>
> Donna L Scott
>
>
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>
> *From:* John Gregoire <johnandsuegregoire...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2025 1:03 PM
> *To:* Donna Lee Scott <dls9...>
> *Cc:* madonna stallmann <madonnaoftheprairie...>; CAYUGABIRDS-L <
> <CAYUGABIRDS-L...>
> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Feeders, finches & disease
>
>
>
> Wordslike "mild" have been a problem in the past. Cleaning may be done
> with a 10% bleach solution used during cleaning and then allowed to dry in
> place with no further rinsing.
>
>
>
> Interesting comment on the restriction you cite. It has not been
> promulgated to those of us licensed to handle birds for research. We have
> been reminded to follow strict protocols for health and safety.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 10:19 AM Donna Lee Scott <dls9...> wrote:
>
> I can understand why one would think tube feeders with those little holes
> with a perch under them, where birds stick in their head to get seeds,
> hence eye contact with sides of the opening, might spread eye disease more
> readily than a platform feeder, but platform feeders are notorious for
> collecting a lot of bird poop which may have other pathogens in it.
>
>
>
> All feeders should be regularly washed, rinsed, then sanitized with a mild
> bleach solution & dried,
>
> because congregations of birds on feeders can inoculate them with
> disease-causing microbes.
>
>
>
> Also, a reminder: As Cayuga Bird Club member, Dr. Ton Schat, said, do not
> touch any dead birds these days, because of the risk of avian influenza in
> a dead bird.
>
> A few humans have contracted this disease. 1 or 2 have died.
>
>
>
> Also FYI: The new president of the US has now ordered gov’t agencies like
> the FDA & the CDC to stop issuing all public info announcements about
> things like Avian Influenza until such pass muster with one of his
> political appointees, who may or may not have any scientific credentials.
>
>
>
> Donna Scott
>
> Kendal at Ithaca-377
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2025, at 9:03 AM, madonna stallmann <
> <madonnaoftheprairie...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Folks!
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if anyone knows of any studies done comparing the eye
> infection rate of finches using open, platform style feeders as opposed to
> tube feeders with head openings? It just seems to me that there would be
> less chance for spreading infection with open platform feeders. What do you
> think?
>
>
>
> 🐦 Madonna Stallmann
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