On January 21, 2025 5:01:57 PM Deli Kiz <delikiz...> wrote:
> If you read what I wrote I first said “if they were reaponsible hunters…” I > come from an extended family of responsible hunters, I know what they look > like. > I know not a single hunter I associate with would put out any of their > ducks (or other game) for the eagles to get - whole or trimmed. They > understand the risk and all. Im sure you do too as a responsible hunter. > > I stick with my original statement. We need to consider who would be doing > this before we jump to conclusions about anyone giving pause. > > I wont even say a thing about some of the bird listers. There are too many > of them who get an earful from me because they get too close to a bird or > do any of those sub-intelligence things you mention all in the name of > “loving and knowing”’birds. One of these days we’ll all understand how to > protect what we love. Somehow Im still hopeful. > > Thanks, > DK > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:31 PM Kevin Lucas <vikingcove...> wrote: > >> I am sure there is a chance of most hunters giving pause, fortunately. >> If anything, I don't think hunters would "think it cool." >> >> All of the hunters I've encountered while I've been a bird watcher have >> been courteous, freely shared with me their sightings of interest, been >> perfectly respectful of property rights, have been law abiding, and have >> been honest. Unlike school bus drivers and many non-hunters, and one local >> competitive bird lister, hunters have NEVER driven very close past me >> at high speed throwing up rocks and clouds of dust while I scoped from the >> roadside on a gravel road. Three days ago a hunter drove past me very >> slowly, giving me great distance, then watched me for a while before >> approaching and courteously asking what I was doing and whether it would >> bother me if he went into the property to suss out his location for the >> next day's hunt. He explained he had the appropriate permissions and permit >> for that precise location the following day, but really didn't want to >> disturb me. That's par for the course for my interactions with hunters as a >> bird watcher. >> >> As a hunter, I was trained well and tested rigorously in order to get my >> licenses. My trainers took their jobs seriously. I took my responsibility >> seriously as a student, then as a hunter. >> >> I've had competitive bird listers describe to me how and where they >> trespass & how they falsify eBird location reports to hide their >> trespassing, had them walk past me and flush birds I was actively and >> obviously observing, and had one try (& fail) to talk me into trespassing >> onto closed Yakama Nation Land on the Yakima Christmas Bird Count for which >> he was the official coordinator for years. >> Yet I don't presume all competitive bird listers wouldn't give pause or >> would "think it cool" to variously act illegally or unethically or in a >> manner harmful to birds. >> >> I've repeatedly watched and heard two local prominent competitive birders >> use loud playback and loud predator call imitations to harass rare birds >> into view. Their bad behavior set the bar for me until I read and thought >> about how distressing it must be for birds, and until I had a couple of >> separate descriptions by bird enthusiast researchers on how and why they >> limit their use of playback to the minimum required for their study for >> one, and use absolutely no playback for the other. Their discussions and >> good examples changed my behavior for the better. >> >> Some who act badly won't change. Some will. There are a lot of good eggs >> out there, both hunters and competitive bird listers. >> >> Respectfully, >> Kevin Lucas >> Yakima, Washington >> >> *Qui tacet consentire videtur* >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:43 PM Deli Kiz via Tweeters < >> <tweeters...> wrote: >> >>> >>> If they were responsible hunters they wouldn't have the excess, not sure >>> dying bald eagles are going to stop them. If anything they'd likely think >>> it's cool - two birds one stone for them. They don't like that the bald >>> eagles are actually out there getting "their" ducks, salmon, etc. in the >>> first place. Not sure there is a chance of anyone giving pause >>> unfortunately. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Deli Kiz >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:30 PM Diann MacRae via Tweeters < >>> <tweeters...> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Tweets >>>> >>>> I cannot imagine anything so egregious considering HPAI (bird flu) being >>>> rampant in so many areas. Certainly duck hunters know enough to dispose of >>>> what they don't want properly. It may be nice for photographs but just >>>> watch something like a bald eagle or other raptor die from bird flu and >>>> maybe it will give one pause. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Diann >>>> >>>> Diann MacRae >>>> Olympic Vulture Study >>>> 22622 - 53rd Avenue S.E. >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/22622+-+53rd+Avenue+S.E.+%0D%0ABothell,+WA+98021?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> Bothell, WA 98021 >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/22622+-+53rd+Avenue+S.E.+%0D%0ABothell,+WA+98021?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> <tvulture...> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tweeters mailing list >>>> <Tweeters...> >>>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> <Tweeters...> >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >>> >>
