Date: 8/25/19 9:02 am
From: Pam Diamond (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...>
Subject: Re: carolinabirds Digest Sun, 25 Aug 2019
Listening now. Thanks, Nate.

*Pam Diamond*

*Cary, NC*









On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 11:47 AM Nate Swick <nswick...> wrote:

> In my capacity as chair of the NC Bird Records Committee, I am working
> with the observer to get something to us that the committee can vote on. I
> think the record is compelling and the photo is certainly interesting. The
> observers are novice birders and they clearly noted that this was something
> different and used the internet as a resource to identify it. This is a
> good thing.
>
> That's all I have to say about this specific record, though if Will Cook
> will allow me a little bit of self-indulgence I would like to point folks
> to a conversation Birding magazine editor Ted Floyd and I had with regard
> to the pitfalls of expertise on the American Birding Podcast, which I host.
>
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__podcasts.apple.com_us_podcast_03-2D15-2Dwhere-2Dexpertise-2Dfalls-2Dshort_id1186824033-3Fi-3D1000445284767&d=DwIFaQ&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=ymRCw6Q-sBitug_rdeO1Tokz-I_SX2LQN2_Ocvlal9U&m=HSonS36SjUY3zxldgJxDomMGGjFJecmHyql8lkeGELo&s=PpceI5KqpJgG63vb2ppDnzZQ0soB1Ds03gXuWqBsMis&e=
>
> Nate Swick
> Greensboro, NC
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:16 AM Pam Diamond <carolinabirds...>
> wrote:
>
>> "1) the observer to complete a Rare Bird Report form, to let us know more
>> about what she saw. It is clear she is not a birder, had no idea what a
>> Lazuli Bunting was, and of course Chaffinch is a foreign word. Thus, we
>> have no idea from Facebook comments if she had looked at photos of Common
>> Chaffinch, to say "yes" or "no" to that. She did say "yes" to Lazuli after
>> she had seen online photos, but ….."
>>
>>
>> I was excited to read the “buzz” and learn about this possible Lazuli
>> Bunting. I was hopeful that Steve Howell, with whom I had the privilege of
>> birding once at Howell Woods (he helped me find my first prothonotary and
>> hooded warblers years ago), would find it and document it in good photos.
>> But I have to say, Mr. Legrand, I find your words deeply offensive. Clearly
>> by your standards, whatever they are, you would say I am not a birder. But
>> I hope that Kevin Karlson, Glenn Crawford, Angel Abreu and some of the
>> other fabulous guides, authors and ornithology experts (some of whom I
>> birded with during spring migration on the shores of Lake Erie) would tell
>> you differently. I hope that some of the local people - Brian Pendergraft
>> (thank you for helping me shift my passion into high gear), Erla Beegle,
>> John Gerwin, John Connors, Susan Campbell, Lucas Bobay, Jim Capel and the
>> list goes on - would tell you I am a passionate and committed birder. My
>> neighbors and friends for sure will describe me as such. Just the other
>> night at religious services I was greeted with, “ah, the bird lady.” (Way
>> better than crazy cat lady IMHO.) Can I identify everything I see? NO. Do I
>> know every bird there is to know? NO (I did not know what a Lazuli Bunting
>> was.) Do I know all the terminology? No. Do I know all the right ways to
>> report things? No. Do I want to be a part of important record keeping and
>> reporting for our state? YES. Do I care about bird conservation?
>> Absolutely. Am I personally involved in bird conservation? Yes. And that,
>> sir, is why you want to to be inclusive and helpful to those of us who
>> don’t know everything there is to know about birding and reporting vs.
>> being off putting, offensive and holier than thou. To paraphrase Jack
>> Nicholson, YOU WANT ME ON THAT TEAM. YOU NEED ME ON THAT TEAM. This is not
>> a hobby or passion to keep only for the select few. If that’s the case, our
>> beautiful birds will surely suffer the consequences.
>>
>> *Pam Diamond*
>>
>> *Cary, NC *
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 6:00 AM <carolinabirds-request...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Harry LeGrand <hlegrandjr...>
>>> To: Will Cook <cwcook...>
>>> Cc: Carolina Birds <carolinabirds...>
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 10:02:13 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: Lazuli Bunting in Beaufort NC?
>>> I keep hearing "buzz" from various sources, for which I cannot seem to
>>> locate either on Facebook or eBird -- though friends have said they have
>>> found such "buzz" -- that this bird likely will have to remain
>>> "unidentified", or "inconclusively documented", to use my paraphrasing.
>>> The original photo and the lightened/enlarged photo certainly by itself
>>> does not document a Lazuli Bunting, in my opinion, especially as Common
>>> Chaffinch does not seem to have been ruled out from the photo. Though
>>> the observer reported "bright blue head, rusty orange feathers under the
>>> chin and a white breast" on her Facebook comments, which does lean it to
>>> the bunting and not the Chaffinch, note that Chaffinch also has a large
>>> white upper wing bar, and it rusty orange on the throat up to the chin, has
>>> some blueish on the crown and nape, and the belly is pale. Lazuli Bunting
>>> -- certainly the much more likely of the two -- has two of the three
>>> written marks -- a bright blue head and a white belly, but the rusty orange
>>> color is on the upper breast; the throat and chin is mainly blue.
>>>
>>> I am on the NC Bird Records Committee, in an advisory capacity, as a
>>> non-voting member. I encourage:
>>>
>>> 1) the observer to complete a Rare Bird Report form, to let us know more
>>> about what she saw. It is clear she is not a birder, had no idea what a
>>> Lazuli Bunting was, and of course Chaffinch is a foreign word. Thus, we
>>> have no idea from Facebook comments if she had looked at photos of Common
>>> Chaffinch, to say "yes" or "no" to that. She did say "yes" to Lazuli after
>>> she had seen online photos, but …..
>>>
>>> 2) the NC BRC to vote on the bird, as from what I currently see on
>>> Facebook, it stands there as an identification as a Lazuli Bunting. This
>>> has never been sent to eBird, that I can tell. Someone told me that the
>>> eBird reviewer was not going to accept the report, but … as it nonetheless
>>> WAS reported on Facebook as a Lazuli Bunting, it needs a vote, as the
>>> potential third record for NC.
>>>
>>> Harry LeGrand
>>> Raleigh
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:57 PM Will Cook <cwcook...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks may be interested to know that there's an apparent Lazuli Bunting
>>>> at a feeder in Beaufort, NC, confirmed by a photo that may just be good
>>>> enough to clinch the ID. I know nothing more than what's in this post on
>>>> the Carolina Birders facebook group:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_groups_carolinabirders_permalink_2348108728598053_&d=DwIFaQ&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=ymRCw6Q-sBitug_rdeO1Tokz-I_SX2LQN2_Ocvlal9U&m=HSonS36SjUY3zxldgJxDomMGGjFJecmHyql8lkeGELo&s=DJAoXGNZ7ydMJf3fnX1hvZvaW7Ic8PRlabp_95v-kvY&e=
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_groups_carolinabirders_permalink_2348108728598053_&d=DwMGaQ&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=ymRCw6Q-sBitug_rdeO1Tokz-I_SX2LQN2_Ocvlal9U&m=XrBMmnjJr2WUZtmTQ9w08J9H8db1CV74kBkJglmmiqI&s=2GbwzeEsC7Cys97LYgB-87EX3la4A69h57tswfVEkHg&e=>
>>>>
>>>> A darling little bird, indeed!
>>>>
>>>> Will
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charles W. (Will) Cook
>>>> Nicholas School of the Environment
>>>> Division of Environmental Science & Policy
>>>> Box 90328, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

 
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