Date: 7/30/19 7:50 pm
From: Tim Rodenkirk <timrodenkirk...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Titmouse Oak or Juniper?
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 7:31 PM Tim Rodenkirk <timrodenkirk...>
wrote:

> I couldn’t agree more!
>
> As another example, it turns out that the Allen’s/Rufous hybrid zone
> extends as far south as San Fran and as far north as Florence. That isn’t
> to say there are a lots of birds that are not hybrids on either end of this
> zone (who knows how many or what percent for sure) but how does one tell
> them apart from non-hybrids? Such confusion! In these cases it may be best
> to go with Rufous/Allen’s sp. (anywhere in SW OR) or Titmouse sp. (also
> anywhere in OR east of Cascades).
>
> Something to leave to OBRC I think, Allen’s Hummers may not be an option
> in OR, all being hybrids so why not the same with Titmice east of the
> Cascades (two species that need a lot more research by OR birders and OBRC
> (at least to be confidentially IDed).
>
> Good luck!
> Tim R
> Coos Bay
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 7:17 PM Alex Lamoreaux <aslamoreaux...>
> wrote:
>
>> My point is in line with Tim’s comments; I am more getting at how are
>> birders making this identification? There is a broad region of
>> hybridization in northern California connecting the Klamath Falls birds to
>> the Willow Valley/Adel birds. Vocals and plumage are not reliably separated
>> in the field. So it seems the only reason these are being IDed as Juniper
>> is based on historical specimens and habitat. Is that sufficient? How are
>> hybrids being ruled out? Seems to me these should be entered as Oak/Juniper
>> (Plain Titmouse) until contemporary evidence for one or the other is
>> collected.
>>
>> Even then, from a field ID standpoint... how can anyone be confident what
>> they are seeing/hearing in Lake County are Juniper over hybrid.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:07 PM Tom Crabtree <tc...> wrote:
>>
>>> No Alex, they are indeed Junipers, it is the edge of their range, but in
>>> the proper habitat and not in Oak Titmouse habitat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Crabtree
>>>
>>> Ebird Reviewer for Central Oregon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* <obol-bounce...> [mailto:<obol-bounce...>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Alex Lamoreaux
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 3:06 PM
>>> *To:* <lsg...>
>>> *Cc:* <obol...>
>>> *Subject:* [obol] Re: Titmouse Oak or Juniper?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, is there any real evidence those Adel area birds are actually
>>> Juniper... they are almost certainly hybrids or just Oak.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:38 PM Larry S. Goodhew <lsg...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a titmouse I saw 10/21/18 in Klamath Falls It may be to brownish
>>> to be a Juniper. Would like some feedback. Thanks. Larry Goodhew
>>> Walla walla.
>>>
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>> --
>> Alex Lamoreaux
>> 717-943-7086
>> Naturalist and Senior Leader/North America Specialist for Wildside Nature
>> Tours
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>>
>

 
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