Date: 7/30/19 7:00 pm
From: Tim Rodenkirk <timrodenkirk...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Titmouse Oak or Juniper?
All the eBird stuff aside Tom I think people assume that their location may
mean it is one species or the other- period. That means that although there
may be lots of records of one species or the other in CA or even OR (on
eBird or wherever) can these observations be based on actually sight and
sound ID- or do people just assume it is one species or the other and
record that into eBird as per the old standards (which do not help anyone
trying to figure out what is where)? So eBird records, at least on the
Eastside in OR, without good documentation, should really be called
Titmouse sp. Bet that hasn’t been happening! Such a mess...

Tim R
way over in Coos County

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:27 PM Alan Contreras <acontrer56...> wrote:

> Thanks Tom. I have no idea what the hybrid situation is like. As is
> often the case, Oregon is a Zone of Complications.
>
>
> Alan Contreras
> <acontrer56...>
> Eugene, Oregon
>
> www.alanlcontreras.com
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>
>
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Tom Crabtree <tc...> wrote:
>
> Alan,
>
> Here are two maps for comparison. First is Juniper Titmouse. There are
> no records in eBird west of what the map shows.
>
> <image001.png>
>
> The next is of Oak Titmouse. There are no records east of what this shows:
>
> <image004.jpg>
>
>
> There are no records for Oak Titmouse in Nevada according to the Nevada
> Bird Records Committee (or in eBird for that matter). As the map shows,
> Adel is due north of the Nevada state line.
>
> Tom Crabtree
>
>
>
> *From:* <obol-bounce...> [mailto:<obol-bounce...>
> <obol-bounce...>] *On Behalf Of *Alan Contreras
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 3:15 PM
> *To:* <aslamoreaux...>
> *Cc:* <obol...>
> *Subject:* [obol] Re: Titmouse Oak or Juniper?
>
> As far as I know there are no known specimens or otherwise proven Oak
> Titmouse east of California and the s. Klamath River of Oregon and all the
> ones in Nevada are considered Juniper.
>
> I’m not sure if anyone has studied the ones in Lake County Oregon but I’m
> not sure why they’d be presumed Oak. That said, there is very little
> Juniper T population in nw Nevada according to the state atlas and I’m not
> sure where the populations connect.
>
> Joel, what’s the status around Sheldon?
>
>
> Alan Contreras
> <acontrer56...>
> Eugene, Oregon
>
> www.alanlcontreras.com
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Alex Lamoreaux <aslamoreaux...> wrote:
>
> Also, is there any real evidence those Adel area birds are actually
> Juniper... they are almost certainly hybrids or just Oak.
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 8:38 PM Larry S. Goodhew <lsg...> wrote:
>
> This is a titmouse I saw 10/21/18 in Klamath Falls It may be to brownish
> to be a Juniper. Would like some feedback. Thanks. Larry Goodhew
> Walla walla.
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