Date: 2/4/19 7:25 am
From: Ira Sanders <zroadrunner14...>
Subject: Re: [cobirds] Speaking of lists....rules for yardbirds?
I agree with Joe except that I would count birds I saw flyover my house
even if I wasn't in my own yard.
Ira Sanders
Golden, CO

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 8:00 AM Joe Roller <jroller9...> wrote:

> Thomas,
> Here are the guidelines for keeping a yard list on eBird- similar in some
> ways to Big Sit rules, with key differences.
> *from eBird **Help section**: *
> *What birds count?* For eBird yard and patch lists, feel free to count
> anything seen or heard from within your yard or patch. Fly-overs are fair
> game. In other words, the bird need not actually be in your yard or
> patch, as long as you are. Thus, if you have a small city apartment with no
> actual trees or grass, you can still count anything you see or hear from
> your property.
>
> The one difference I noticed is that Big Sit rules provide for a team or
> group of birders to
> combine their sightings into one list. Yard lists on eBird are personal
> lists and are limited to what the you alone observes.
> *However, please note that birds that you do not record personally (i.e.,
> a friend sees it in your yard, you record it on a feeder cam, or use
> microphones to record birds from your yard),should not be counted.*
>
> Another difference is that Big Sit guidelines allow a team member to walk
> or drive away from the Sit Site to
> check birds seen far away from that spot. And I believe that birds seen
> *from* that ectopic site can be added
> to the Sit list. Joey Kellner will know all about that, having organized
> the Chatfield Big Sit for many years.
>
> In contrast Yard lists include birds seen or heard from within your yard.
> That guideline seems NOT to
> allow adding species present IN your yard even if you are OUT of your
> yard, eg, walking home from
> a stroll. Which seems like a silly constraint to me.
>
> Just as with Life Lists or any other list, one can make up your own rules
> if your yard list. It's only important
> to follow standard guidelines when you choose to document your yard
> totals on eBird or the CFO site described
> in my post of 2/3.
>
> And eBird also encourages "Patch Lists" which might include your whole
> neighborhood or a nearby park.
> But that is another topic.
>
> Please weigh in on whether I got this straight or not.
>
> Joe Roller, Denver
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 11:42 PM Thomas Heinrich <teheinrich...>
> wrote:
>
>> The discussion regarding listing rules got me wondering about which rules
>> we choose to follow for yardbirds. How many of us use the ABA model as
>> opposed to the Big Sit model, or some other perhaps?
>>
>> What do you count? If you happen to be returning from a walk around the
>> neighborhood, see a Northern Goshawk fly directly over your house, but
>> you’re not actually standing in your yard, does it count? What do you do
>> when you hear a flock of 150 migrating Sandhill Cranes off in the distance,
>> or maybe see the 23 Am White Pelicans through your scope five miles distant
>> over the Valmont complex, or find the motion triggered night vision camera
>> in your backyard captured an image of a Boreal Owl? Not that all of these
>> have happened to me...yet. But one can still hope. I actually had two new
>> yardbird owl species (N Pygmy Owl and E Screech Owl) in one day back in
>> August, one at dawn, the other at dusk.
>>
>> I tend to like and use something similar to the Big Sit model (whatever
>> you can see and accurately identify from within a boundary) mainly because
>> it greatly expands the potential list (e.g. Lewis’s Woodpecker, Clark’s
>> Nutcracker, Pinyon Jay up along the Dakota Ridge behind my house), which I
>> guess is a bit greedy, but also more fun. I do also try to get photo
>> records for all yardbirds, and have been successful in all but 5 species
>> out of about 120. After IDing the bird from the yard sometimes I will hike
>> beyond the property to get better shots.
>>
>> Anyway, I’m curious to hear other approaches, thoughts, etc.
>>
>> —Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>> Thomas Heinrich
>> Boulder, CO
>> <Nyctea...>
>>
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