Date: 12/20/18 12:01 pm
From: Brodie Cass Talbott <brodietlewis...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Cattle Egret / Intermediate Egret
Hopefully it works this time! But, predictably, the order changed.
Intermediate, ?, Great, ?.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 11:53 Tom Crabtree <tc...> wrote:

> Brodie, there were no attachments to your email.
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> *Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:43 AM
> *To:* Alan Contreras
> *Cc:* <jdanielfarrar...>; OBOL Birders Online
> *Subject:* [obol] Re: Cattle Egret / Intermediate Egret
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> Ive spent about a cumulative year birding India and a good part of that
> was spent trying to get egrets (and cormorants) to species. The finer field
> marks of dark tipped bill and shorter gape line were ones that I eventually
> gave up on in favor of overall proportions, which are much more reliable
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> I'm rusty, as I haven't been back in 18 months, but in India I would've
> called this bird an intermediate based on bill alone. Of course, I would be
> more careful with this bird in Oregon, and hope for some better photos,
> particularly with neck outstretched next to a similarly posed great egret,
> which is usually all you need. As of now the gape line and bill color favor
> great, but giss outweighs that in favor of intermediate.
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> I've attached some crops of the putative intermediate (from Courtney and
> Eric, photos 1 and 4), a confirmed intermediate (photo 2), and a great
> egret (photo 3). I'm also reaching out to some friends in India in case
> I've lost my egret eyes.
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> Hope it sticks around long enough for me to go see it!
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> Good birding,
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> Brodie
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> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 10:39 Alan Contreras <acontrer56...> wrote:
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> I have seen Intermediate in Australia some years ago. I recall it being
> not much smaller than a Great but having more the “look” of a Little Blue
> Heron in neck and head shape and maybe behavior.
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> Alan Contreras
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> www.alanlcontreras.com
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> On Dec 20, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Daniel Farrar <jdanielfarrar...>
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> One feature I find interesting in Eric's photos is the difference in bill
> shape. The Great clearly has a slight down curve to the bill. The smaller
> egret looks much straighter. Not sure if that is an Intermediate trait, I
> have zero experience with the species.
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> Daniel
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> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 10:22 AM Sally Hill <1sallyhill.9...> wrote:
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> For clarification: Is it only Eric's photos that this person reviewed or
> is it some combination of Sylvia's and Pam's and Eric's? My Birds of
> Australia, (Pizzey and Knight) suggest that the Intermediate Egret is
> smaller and daintier than GREG with extended head and neck about equal to
> body length, head rounder, bill shorter and deeper and line of gape to just
> below eye , not past it as in GREG. When hunting peers with neck extended
> and stirs with foot. Flies with quicker wind beats than GREG. This
> reference fails to mention anything about a black tip on the bill. If your
> expert has any additional ID tips it would be helpful to know.
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> Sally Hill
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> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:20 AM Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...>
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> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Eric Carlson <carl8630...> wrote:
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> I have photos of the slightly smaller looking Great Egret on my ebird
> checklist if anyone is interested in looking at them.
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> https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S50700675
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> Bird up,
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> ERIC
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> https://ebonph.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/ask-the-experts-2/
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> Hello Eric and all:
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> A very seasoned Asian birding expert sent me an email suggesting that the
> bird looks right for an Intermediate Egret. I can’t be sure if there is or
> isn’t a dark tip to the bill into photos. As Dave Irons wrote,
> Intermediate Egrets usually have a dark tipped bill, but apparently not
> always.
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> I hope someone gets sharper photos. I also hope no one does, because if
> it is an Intermediate Egret, I don’t want to fly back to Oregon from Tucson
> for it (like I have for two other birds in past years).
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> Great Egrets do of course vary in size based on sex, and somewhat so by
> individual.
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> Jeff Gilligan
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