Date: 11/26/18 8:41 am
From: Tom Crabtree <tc...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Interestingly pale bunting

I do have both Snow and McKay's Bunting for Washington. It was a trip to
Ocean Shores in January 1979 with Jeff Gilligan and Owen Schmidt as I
recall. The bird was originally found on the Gray's Harbor Christmas Count
and stuck around till at least late January. The record was accepted by the
Washington Records Committee (MKBU-1978-1).

Tom Crabtree, Bend

From: David Irons [mailto:<llsdirons...>]
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:03 PM
To: Alan Contreras; <baro...>
Cc: Mike Patterson; obol; Tom Crabtree
Subject: Re: [obol] Re: Interestingly pale bunting

This is the second time in the past year or so that someone has assigned
sightings to me that I was not involved in. I would love to see a Snow
Bunting in Washington, as it would be a state bird for me. I just
double-checked my Washington state list on eBird, as I had no recollection
of seeing this species in that state. Lo and behold, I HAVEN'T. I have only
seen one bird that I believed to be a McKay's Bunting and that was Oregon's
first state record at the South Jetty of the Columbia River in 1980
(accepted by the OBRC).

I just looked up Tom Crabtree's eBird stats for Washington. He has reported
a grand total of 119 from Washington and has a whopping 8 species on his
Grays Harbor County list (where Ocean Shores is). I strongly suspect that
Snow Bunting is not one of them. Tom can either confirm or refute that he
has seen Snow Bunting anywhere in Washington.

I also just pulled up all the Ocean Shores area reports of McKay's Bunting.
Neither my name, or Tom's appears on any of them. It isn't that hard to look
this stuff up. Please, unless you are citing a specific record/report, do
not name me as having seen/reported a species that I haven't seen in places
that I haven't seen them, especially when it involves the claim of a rare
bird that may or may not be fully supported by good documentation. Unless I
have a photo, or corroboration from other observers, I generally don't
report extremely rare birds to eBird or records committees.

Dave Irons

Beaverton, OR


From: <obol-bounce...> <obol-bounce...> on behalf of
Robert O'Brien <baro...>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 2:50 AM
To: Alan Contreras
Cc: Mike Patterson; obol
Subject: [obol] Re: Interestingly pale bunting

There are quite a few eBird records for WA state, mostly in the vicinity of
Ocean Shores,

including some by Dave Irons and/or Tom Crabtree among Oregon Birders.

I photographed a stakeout there in 1988 on 'the' chain link fence at the
treatment plant.

Mine was a a slide which I can't find right now but here is its photo from

(impressively pale, especially since the whitest plumage is breeding, but

are more darkly marked).. There are a few photos Jan 27, 1988

likely same bird a weeks later: Feb 20, 1988

Another 2012: Feb 12, 2012

And Vancouver BC (also very white) Dec 28, 2004

Don't know whether these are 'confirmed' In spite of its isolated
2-island range in the Bearing Sea,

McKay's is known to hybridize with Snow and has been suggested as a
subspecies at times.

Bob OBrien Carver OR

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 4:42 PM Alan Contreras <acontrer56...> wrote:

It looks McKay's except that the wing may have too much dark. Amazing to
have that large a bunt flock on the coast.

Alan Contreras
Eugene, Oregon


> On Nov 25, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Mike Patterson <celata...> wrote:
> Still puzzling about this individual. Photographed in the bunting
> flock today.
> --
> Mike Patterson
> Astoria, OR
> That question...
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