Date: 11/7/18 12:45 pm
From: Norman Budnitz (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...>
Subject: Re: Watauga County egret
I have just looked through the various photos I have taken of
Intermediate Egrets in Kenya, Thailand, and Australia. The gape in my
photos always stops below the eye and looks just like the gape in the
Watauga bird. When I compare them to the Great Egret photos I have
from NC and Kenya, there is clearly a difference. The gape in the
latter species always extend behind the eye, though not always the
same distance.

The problem is that I have seen so many Great Egrets in NC without
having really looked closely at their gapes that I have no sense of
the variability they might show. So I took a quick look through a
dozen or so photos of October/November Great Egrets on the Carolina
Bird Club website. All the ones that are clear enough show gapes
extending well behind the eye.

The Intermediate ID looks possible!


On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:34 PM Nate Dias <carolinabirds...> wrote:
> Wow.
> The leg length alone clearly eliminates Cattle Egret.
> I have experience with Intermediate Egret (AKA Yellow-billed Egret)
> from organizing multiple birding safaris to Kenya.
> To my eye, nothing in the photos looks out of place for an
> Intermediate Egret transitioning from/into breeding plumage. It has
> all-gray legs and remnants/beginnings of greenish lores. And as Derb
> says, the gape could be interpreted as ending just below the eye -
> although the angle of the photos introduces potential foreshortening
> issues.
> To say for 100% certain, I would like to see the bird with neck
> extended, preferably a shot of it walking. And some kind of size
> comparison would be ideal. I haven't looked through each and every
> photo, but they do not seem to show if the bird's neck is
> comparatively long and thin like a Great Egret, or shorter and thicker
> like an Intermediate Egret.
> But I think the bird is likely an Intermediate Egret. I do not
> think it is a Great Egret, nor a Cattle Egret, nor a Snowy Egret, nor
> an immature Little Blue Heron, nor a Western Reef Heron. Not much
> else is left besides Intermediate that fits the bill.
> Nathan Dias - Charleston, SC
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:52 AM Derb Carter <derbc...> wrote:
> >
> > Some of us have been discussing the white egret found and well-photographed yesterday in Watauga County by Guy McGrane (photos on ebird checklist). It was initially identified as a Cattle Egret and then a Great Egret. After the photos were posted, Jeff Pippen first asked how to eliminate Intermediate Egret, other than it would be an extraordinary record for this South Asia/African species (although it is migratory – and it is also out of place especially this time of year in Watauga County). Some, including me, who have looked at the photos carefully, note that it just does not look right for a Great Egret: bill is stout and wrong shape for Great, bill color not exactly right for Great, legs gray instead of black, and another important field mark I will get to in a minute. You cannot tell size from the photos with nothing to compare, but the observer initially described it as small thinking it was a Cattle Egret. Intermediate Egrets, as the name implies, are between Great and Little/Snowy in size. I have seen many in Asia where it is common and identifiable by size alone. Field guides discuss a key field mark to distinguish Great from Intermediate, and Guy has provided good photos to work with. The gape of the bill of Intermediate Egret extends back to below the eye, while the gape of Great Egret extends well beyond the eye. This is a very obvious and consistent field mark in searching photos of both species, and diagramed in the Wikipedia entry on Intermediate Egret if you are interested in checking this out. To my eye, the gape of the bill in the Watauga egret in all the photos in the series stops below the eye, suggesting it may be an Intermediate Egret. But the posture of the bird in the photos and feathering may obscure the gape, but I lean to it not being obscured and extending only to below the eye. Intermediate Egret would of course be an extraordinary record for NC and the eastern US. I have not even had a chance to look at North American records, but I seem to recall there are records for Alaska. At this point, I just wanted to get this information out while we continue to puzzle over the photos, and especially invite any with experience with Intermediate Egret to weigh in. And thanks to Guy for the excellent photos.
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> > Derb Carter

Norm Budnitz
Orange County
North Carolina
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