Date: 11/4/18 12:42 pm
From: David Pavlik <dtpavlik...>
Subject: Re: [birders] The Fake News about a Spotted Redshank
Alan,

No need to start with the conspiracy theories. There was no hacking involved. It wasn't hard to figure out the location. You and/or Maggie have visited the Redshank location several times over the past couple weeks. Maggie reported those trips to eBird, and Greater Yellowlegs was frequently on those checklists. Not hard to put two and two together. This information was relayed to birders already in the field (i.e. Adam and Scott) who checked the spot and found the bird.

Also, this has nothing to do with the records committee. You've attacked the committee several times on this list-serve and it is uncalled for. This was a great group effort by the Michigan birding community coming together to figure out where to look for the bird. The records committee played no role in this.

I'm just glad the birding community was able to enjoy the bird. Everyone was happy and respectful and it made for a great occasion. It is unfortunate you didn't want to be part of it.
Dave

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From: Alan Ryff <alryff...>
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 2:56 PM
To: John Lowry; Birders UM
Subject: Re: [birders] The Fake News about a Spotted Redshank

John,
You are evading the issue of fake news: Did committee members hack or did they not?
Mark North's words, "Good thing they foolishly still made checklists through the day
ultimately ruining their sinister plan."
Furthermore: Your words: "We didn’t have the luxury of quick replies from our attempts to reach Maggie and Alan, . . ."
None of the committee members ever called after I posted my photos on www.flickr.com/photos/snow-shadow
Please reread: [birders] The Fake News about a Spotted Redshank



On Sunday, November 4, 2018 2:07 PM, John Lowry <jlowry...> wrote:


Alan and all,

I can share the way this unfolded from my perspective, and although the beginning of this story is a bit sad I hope it has a happy ending. I don’t like the personal attacks, and I encourage everyone to avoid jumping to conclusions. Implying malicious intent by any parties is just wrong. No mysterious “hacking” was necessary, and as Alan notes, he doesn’t owe the birding community anything. Folks bird in different ways and although many of us love to share a great bird sighting, it’s a personal choice. If Alan finds a bird and doesn’t share it because of the way he was talked about publicly here, I’m not sure anyone can blame him.

Having said that, Alan did post the Spotted Redshank photos to his Flickr account and noted the date photographed as Nov 2, 2018 and the location as simply “Michigan”. The report of this sighting of a continental rarity was noted by Nate Swick at the ABA who curates our weekly Rare Bird Alerts. Nate posted the image to the ABA Rare Bird Alert Facebook page and noted that it was reported from Michigan with no further details. Again, this is an exceedingly rare bird anywhere in North America. It’s an “ABA Code 4”, and any long time birder knows it’s of interest to the birding community, so Nate, then me, then the Michigan birding community on Facebook attempted to figure out how we and others could see this and share the sighting if it was in a publicly accessible location. Many texts, emails, phone calls and messages were exchanged among the interested birders in Michigan to narrow down places to look. We didn’t have the luxury of quick replies from our attempts to reach Maggie and Alan, and of course folks were frustrated that further location details weren’t forthcoming. Our assumption initially was that it the location was being withheld because it was on private property, which is a GOOD reason to withhold location. Of course other potential reasons were posited as to why the location wasn’t shared, but the main topic of conversation was “how can we figure out where this bird is?"

Guessing that eventually we’d hear from Maggie or Alan, but not certain that it would be in time to intersect with this arctic migrant, there was a flurry of activity to get out and bird. With the knowledge that there are a few regularly birded sites for shorebirds, and lacking more specific information, the plan was to just start checking likely sites. And then some luck shone on Adam and Scott. The first guess was the right guess. And it wasn’t a blind guess by the way, this eBird hotspot has had quite a bit of shorebird activity lately, and the plants and the habitat seen in the background looked right.

So let’s give credit where it’s due. Great find by Alan, and some great birding community communication and field work by especially Adam and Scott.

I hope everyone who wishes to see this rare bird is able to do so, and I hope we can all be more charitable in our birding activity.

John Lowry
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On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Alan Ryff <alryff...><mailto:<alryff...>> wrote:

Concerning the 2 November 2018 Spotted Redshank,
Marc North posted on e-Bird Nov 03, 2018 18:01
"- Comments: Continuing. Original finders (Alan Ryff andMaggie Jewett) very
rudely hid this bird with malicious intent. Good thing they foolishly still made checklists through the day
ultimately ruining their sinister plan. Shame on them, they give the birding community a bad name.
WoooooooF!"

Really? Come on Marc, where did you get that information? Hopefully the politics of Trump's fake news hasn't infiltrated birding. It looks like it has by reading your words. Prior to 4:30 PM or so we "did not" bird on 2 November 2018 ("foolishly made checklists through the day"). Our plan was to do a day's end count at a crane roost site. On the way to the crane roost Maggie suggested we stop at the marsh at the Scio Church Road and Parker Road intersection. No online checklists were made about anything--just note taking in a notebook. After the photo shoot of the redshank, we went straightway to my house for an all nighter of cropping and editing photos. So much for "foolishly made checklists . . . ultimately ruining their sinister plan." By the way Marc, since when have I owed you anything concerning my personal life. I have no relations with a big part of this world. It's been about 10 to 20 years since I've been involved with any form of listing. I don't even keep records or an e-Bird account. I'm not even cheating my way to the top of some heap of listers. Concerning nature. I haver no interest in what you see or don't see. So what is this "malicious" intent you speak of.

Maggie didn't post her redshank encounter until after many postings had already been submitted on the next day, being November 3. Thus lies an important Question: How DID the members of the records committee so casually come upon this jewell of a bird in an obscure mud puddle of a pond in rural Washtenaw County?Hacking by illegal means is a possibility. iPhone, Subaru GPS, even Flickr posted photos, flickr.com/photos/snow-shadow<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fflickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fsnow-shadow&data=02%7C01%7C%7C14d3cdfc1daa4d51e53f08d6428f8f94%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636769581686691849&sdata=N2gbHqht%2BOvfNnFTcJvtIlJtKSg8GoXVlemv7vDOXek%3D&reserved=0> Note my flickr name isn't even Alan. It's Spot Focus. Quite humble. This is an age without any true privacy. If any of the "committee" members had called me, the desired information would have somehow slipped off my tongue. What stopped them from calling? Too proud to ask? Can't get your own bird? A Courtesy call helps. The "sinister plan" is theirs.

My motto as a naturalist with an artistic eye: "L" is for learning, not for listing. I love my birds and want to keep learning about them. Redshank included. It's not even the first time I studied one.

Alan

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