Date: 10/24/18 5:22 am
From: Gmail <butchchq8...>
Subject: Re: Reporting birds
Dan,

Great response! One that we should all file away and pull back out when these questions arise again, which they seem to every so often.

Thanks again,
Butch Tetzlaff
Bentonville

> On Oct 24, 2018, at 07:06, Daniel Scheiman <birddan...> wrote:
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> Glenn’s great questions and the helpful responses seem to blend three different types of reporting.
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> 1. Listing – You can make your own rules for what to count on your life list. If you want to count a bird you saw via a drone or web cam, that is your call. If you want your list to be comparable to others then play by the ABA recording rules DeLynn mentioned http://listing.aba.org/aba-recording-rules/. The rules prohibit remotely sensed birds and captive birds.
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> 2. eBird checklist submission – if you are going to use eBird you have to play by eBird’s rules, as Patty pointed out. These are important for certain underlying assumptions analysts make about the data. No remotely sensed birds. A species later identified by a photo you or someone else took is fine, the same as for ABA listing, though if you didn’t notice the species while in the field then you probably shouldn’t count it on your life list. When birding at a banding station keep two simultaneous lists – one for unrestrained birds using the Traveling or Stationary protocol, and the other for netted birds using the Banding protocol (under Other).
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> 3. General reporting to a listserv or Bird Records Committee – Remotely sensed birds, dead birds, netted birds, birds in other people’s photos are all fine for letting the birding community know of an extralimital or extra-seasonal record. A few years ago someone posted to the listserv that Golden Eagles were regularly showing up at camera traps in the Ozarks, alerting us all to a phenomenon we didn’t know was happening. It is then up to the BRC whether to accept the record.
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> Webcams can have a purpose beyond entertainment. The latest issue of Living Bird magazine describes Cornell’s plans to use webcams for citizen science; they even asked followers to submit potential research questions that could be answered while watching a Red-tailed Hawk nest cam.
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> Dan Scheiman
> Little Rock, AR
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> On 10/23/18, 3:44 PM, "The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List on behalf of Glenn" <ARBIRD-L...> on behalf of <000001214b3fcb01-dmarc-request...> wrote:
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> Maybe this is more of an eBird question, but I think it is a birding community question. What can I officially "report" as having seen, bird wise? For instance:
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> 1. If I went up to where they are tagging Northern Saw-whet Owls, it is my understanding I couldn't claim having seen one because it wasn't in the wild. Even though it was in the wild the second it was released. Is that correct? I know that in south Louisiana they go out in the evenings and try to catch and tag Yellow and Black Rails and I bet those get reported. So I'm really confused why a netted bird that gets tagged and immediately released isn't reportable.
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> 2. What if I take a photo of a flock of Greater White-fronted Geese, and later while looking at the photos I spot 2 Cackling Geese in the photo. Can I claim those even though I didn't "see" them while I was there but my camera did?
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> 3. Here is a question my wife had that led to this post. What if I had a drone with a camera on it. If I flew that drone into the swamp and saw an Anhinga through the camera, is that reportable? This seems like a reasonable question now that drones are so readily available. Especially because if the answer to question 2 is a yes, then what difference is there if the camera is being held by hand or not?
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> 4. Depending on the answer to question 3 - if the answer was yes, I could report a drone spotted bird then how about a remote camera? Sabal Palm Sanctuary in Brownsville, Texas has a bird camera where anyone can log on and watch to see what wild birds show up at their feeders. I bet everybody would say those birds are not reportable. But why not? They were in their natural wild state, what difference is there if the camera is 600 miles away or in my hand?
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> I only ask these things because I want to make sure I'm doing the right thing when reporting birds.
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> Glenn Wyatt
> Cabot
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