Date: 9/24/18 12:35 pm
From: Caleb Centanni <caleb...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Central and North Coast Rarities: Pacific Golden Plovers, Ruff, Snowy Plovers, Hudsonian Godwit, FOS Dunlins
From reviewing the photos now and from memory, they also had significantly
smaller bills than the two Black-bellies present, which were especially
thinner and more tapered in the distal section, while Black-bellied
typically shows a bulbous tip.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 12:30 PM Nolan Clements <nolanclements...>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Caleb Centanni and I were at South Beach around 11 a.m. on Saturday the
> 22nd, and we had 2 Pacific Golden-Plovers and 2 Black-bellied Plovers. At
> one point, all 4 birds were together, allowing for decent comparisons. The
> PAGPs were clearly smaller and much brighter gold than the nearby drab and
> grey BBPLs.
>
> Photos of both can be seen at:
> https://ebird.org/pnw/view/checklist/S48673596
>
>
> Good birding,
> Nolan Clements
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 12:06 PM Kai Frueh <kaifrueh2...> wrote:
>
>> Hi Nagi and all,
>> I saw the Golden-Plovers about a week and a half ago with Hendrik Herlyn,
>> Oscar Harper, Isaac Denzer and my brother Ben.
>> We got very nice views and photos.
>> Photos on eBird checklists:
>> https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S48561617
>>
>> Hope that helps
>> Kai Frueh
>> Corvallis,OR
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 11:35 AM Nagi Aboulenein <nagi.aboulenein...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Dave!
>>>
>>> Interesting - I'm not sure whether these are the same birds that have
>>> been sighted and ID'd as Pacific Golden Plovers on South Beach. Does anyone
>>> have photos of the recent South Beach Golden Plovers, for comparison?
>>>
>>> Taghrid and I assumed they were. The coloration on the South Beach birds
>>> also was quite different from the BB Plover we saw later that day at HMSC
>>> Nature Trail (but that might have been age related - the HMSC bird was
>>> juvenile/immature, I believe). The SB birds really had a yellowish/golden
>>> tinge to their color, while the HMSC bird was more gray/black/white...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Nagi
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:26 AM DJ Lauten and KACastelein <
>>> <deweysage...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Nagi
>>>>
>>>> Those would be Black-bellied Plovers. Golden plovers are never this
>>>> whitish, and just the general body jizz screams BB Plover.
>>>>
>>>> Lovely Snowy Plover pictures. As a side note, the Snowies now have
>>>> been wintering at South Beach for a good five years or even more (Cathy
>>>> would know). Once plovers establish a wintering site (or even breeding
>>>> site), they will become dependent on that site year after year. They have
>>>> very high site fidelity, both in winter and summer. So the bottom line is
>>>> that this site should be a very reliable site for Snowy Plovers into the
>>>> foreseeable future, as long as they are relatively undisturbed, the habitat
>>>> remains good, and everyone basically gives them a little space. They will
>>>> be quite accommodating to all the locals and birders - which is just
>>>> awesome news for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> I should mention that anyone seeing Snowies might be interested to know
>>>> that birds with a single band on the right leg that is either RED or ORANGE
>>>> means that it was banded as a chick this past summer 2018 in Oregon.
>>>> Knowing the age of the birds may be a good exercise in both watching the
>>>> progression of molt and testing your ability to age and sex the plovers.
>>>> If you want to know specifics on where individuals are from, contact me
>>>> directly and I will do my best.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Dave Lauten
>>>> Oregon Biodiversity Information Center
>>>> Institute for Natural Resources
>>>> PSU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/2018 10:41 AM, Nagi Aboulenein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, no flight shots of the Golden Plovers. An inconsiderate
>>>> biker dragging a dog decided to drive too close to the birds, and they flew
>>>> about half a mile further south and didn't return while we were there.
>>>> After having gotten a good bunch of photos of them, I decided to shift
>>>> focus (no pun intended :-) ) to the Snowy Plovers, instead of pursuing the
>>>> Goldens.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting points that you raise, which I'm definitely not qualified
>>>> to respond to, so I'll take a backseat and watch the discussion unfold :)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Nagi
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:17 AM Bob Archer <rabican1...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was looking at these great photos by Nagi, I was thinking the
>>>>> plovers at South Beach are golden hued Black-bellied rather than
>>>>> Golden-Plovers. The shorter wings, bulky look, bland face and large bill
>>>>> fit. hard for me to judge size, but the Goldens are obviously smaller than
>>>>> a Black-bellied. Maybe one has a very small bill but I think it is the
>>>>> angle.Any flight shots?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Archer
>>>>> PDX
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 9:10 PM Nagi Aboulenein <
>>>>> <nagi.aboulenein...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Taghrid and I had an excellent weekend birding the Newport area on
>>>>>> Saturday, and Fort Stevens area on Sunday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Newport area:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - South Beach (south of the access trail from the restrooms):
>>>>>> - 2 Pacific Golden Plovers
>>>>>> - Two dozen or so Snowy Plovers
>>>>>> - 1 Semi-palmated Sandpiper
>>>>>> - 2 Western Sandpipers
>>>>>> - Two dozen or so Sanderlings
>>>>>> - Also had a very brief view of what appeared to be a Lapland
>>>>>> Longspur though not 100% certain - keep your eyes open for one in that area
>>>>>> - Hatfield MSC Nature Trail (across from the shelter):
>>>>>> - 1 Ruff
>>>>>> - 1 Black-bellied Plover
>>>>>> - 1 Least Sandpiper
>>>>>> - Couple of hundred gulls: mostly California, with a handful
>>>>>> of Western
>>>>>> - 12 or so Brown Pelicans
>>>>>> - 1 Northern Pintail
>>>>>> - 2 Greater White-fronted Geese
>>>>>> - 1 Great Blue Heron
>>>>>> - 1 Belted Kingfisher
>>>>>> - 1 Turkey Vulture
>>>>>> - 4 or 5 White-crowned Sparrows
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ft. Stevens - Trestle Bay:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - 1 Hudsonian Godwit (only far views, poor photos but definitely
>>>>>> diagnostic)
>>>>>> - 1 Willet
>>>>>> - 6 Marbled Godwits
>>>>>> - 2 FOS Dunlins
>>>>>> - 8 Sanderlings at Ft. Stevens
>>>>>> - 2 Western Sandpipers
>>>>>> - Western and California Gulls
>>>>>> - 2 Northern Harriers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Del Rey Beach to Peter Iredale:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Around 200 Sanderlings over a 6-7 mile stretch of beach - no
>>>>>> other shorebirds were seen
>>>>>> - Western Gulls
>>>>>> - California Gulls
>>>>>> - 1 Heerman’s Gull
>>>>>> - Dozens of Brown Pelicans, lots of diving/fishing activity
>>>>>> - 1 Tern sp - very brief look, not long enough to identify
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a link to some photos: https://flic.kr/s/aHskF9fEjP .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good birding,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nagi & Taghrid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>

 
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