Date: 2/27/18 8:02 am From: Alan Buriak <a_buriak...> Subject: Re: Drones
Definitely devil in the details. It IS legal to an extent to "encourage" species to leave a certain area. An example here in Western PA is a company called Geese Police, which companies and even local governments have hired to remove the large flocks of Canada Geese that so often congregate (and defecate) on lawns and parks near lakes, rivers, and ponds. However this company has an intricate understanding of applicable laws and does it in a delicate enough way as to not draw ire from the game commission. As far as I know, they use trained dogs and kayaks to sort of pester the flocks so that they eventually don't want to hang out in that specific area anymore. They DO NOT do anything during breeding and nesting season. However the key distinction in the case being discussed here is the use of a drone. Due to some bad actors and some high profile incidents, the harassment by drone has become a very sensitive issue and as far as I am aware, the game commission is having zero tolerance for it. I suspect that even on private property involving just Canada Geese, this would still be acted upon or at least constitute a stern warning.
Gibsonia, Allegheny County
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From: Scott Weidensaul <scottweidensaul...>
Date: 2/27/18 7:34 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Drones
The devil is in the details. A passive approach like a coyote decoy may be (and almost certainly would be) viewed very differently from using a drone to chase birds during, say, the nesting season. Harassing common species, or those viewed as pests in certain circumstances, may not get the same reaction from law enforcement as someone disturbing rare or sensitive species, or during sensitive times of the year like nesting. There are very strict limits on what constitutes harassment of eagles because of long-standing federal laws specifically protecting bald and golden eagles. It all depends.
Schuylkill Haven, PA
> On Feb 27, 2018, at 7:23 AM, Herbert Flavell <herb1013...> wrote:
> It must be legal to chase birds from your property. I receive a catalog from a company called the Pond Guy. He sells a few decoys used to keep birds off your pond. 1 is a coyote 2 are Swans 3 is a Blue Heron 4 is a Gator or Croc head that floats.If you were a duck or Goose would you land near a gator head I used to like it when the Canadas used to nest here in the tires I put around my pond. But then the Large Mouth bass got to big and ate the babies. So they dont nest in the tires anymore but they still get used by some big snakes that like the heat generated by black tires. The adults and lots of ducks still visit but not to nest.I wish I could still walk good . The geese used to nest in my Beaver pond. But I have not been out there in 6 years since my wife died. We used to like to sit out there and watch the Beaver swim.They never bothered the Geese. Herb Flavell, Gods Knob, Milk Can Corners Susquehanna County
> On 2/27/2018 6:53 AM, Scott Weidensaul wrote:
>> While flying drones may be permitted in many areas under FAA regs, there are additional laws and regulations that may apply — including those restricting or prohibiting the harassment of federally protected birds (which is almost all of them). State and federal wildlife agencies are taking an increasingly hard look at *how* the drones are flown, not just where, and the statutes that prohibit harassment of wildlife by other means can be used to cite or prosecute drone owners, as well. Drones are a little bit like shotguns in that regard — having one may be legal, but not necessarily how you use it.
>> Scott Weidensaul
>> Schuylkill Haven, PA
>>> On Feb 26, 2018, at 9:41 PM, Jim Flowers <artsnimages...> wrote:
>>> Unless it's State or Federal government land, or restricted by the GAS,
>>> drones would be legal.
>>> On Feb 26, 2018 2:59 PM, "Joe Sebastiani" <bunker17...> wrote:
>>>> Maybe this has been discussed before, but I regularly bird Somerset Lake
>>>> in New Garden Twp., southern Chester County. Today was the second time
>>>> recently that I have seen the same lakeside homeowner fly their drone over
>>>> the whole lake with the intent of scaring all the Canada Geese away. The
>>>> drone has some kind of 6-foot long trailing rope or netting attached to it
>>>> to add to the effect. I was seeing upwards of 3,000 geese roost on this
>>>> lake in early winter. At this point it is in the low hundreds. Perhaps
>>>> they got the message and now roost elsewhere.
>>>> My main question is whether or not this is legal. The lake is a private,
>>>> man-made lake that was present prior to all the homes surrounding the
>>>> lake. Maybe residents can do what they want legally, but to me it is
>>>> harassment of migratory waterfowl. Over the years, 30 species of ducks,
>>>> geese, and swans have been recorded on the lake. This winter, it seems
>>>> rather devoid of duck diversity, and perhaps it is this dude with the drone.
>>>> Joe Sebastiani