Date: 2/4/18 10:45 am
From: Harry LeGrand (via carolinabirds Mailing List) <carolinabirds...>
Subject: Re: Tufted Duck on Bulls not seen today
Good point. At least, Google has a number of photos of hybrid Tufted x
Ring-necked duck -- so you may be able to compare the SC bird with those.

That probably explains why it has not been accepted.

Harry LeGrand


On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Jack Rogers <jack...> wrote:

> In fact, one birder on the ABA RBA Facebook page, Martin Reid, is already
> calling this bird a hybrid:
> "The flanks on the presumed TUDU are not white, but very pale grayish,
> such that there is a thin whiter line separating the flanks from the black
> upperparts and undertail coverts. This is wrong for pure TUDU, which has
> pure white underparts that lack any paler line where the flanks meet the
> upperparts (rarely some can have darker imm. flank feathers, but this
> creates the opposite effect whereby a darker line is present between the
> black upperparts and the white underparts). The one pic with the head
> raised in not very helpful, but suggests to me a less-than-classic TUDU
> head shape.
> I lean towards this being a hybrid TUDUxRNDU."
> I have no experience with neither Tufted Duck nor any of the hybrids.
> Just passing along this info for those who refuse to use "that loathsome
> platform".
>
> Jack Rogers
> Mt Pleasant, SC
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Jack Rogers <jack...> wrote:
>
>> I'm obviously not one of the reviewers, but considering the bird is:
>> 1) An ABA rarity (Code 3)
>> 2) A state first
>> 3) A Carolinas second (only other record is the 2009 Winston-Salem bird,
>> as I'm sure many of you know)
>> 4) From a species well known to hybridize with several other species
>> (Tufted x Scaup, in particular, can be a hard ID)
>> I think that perhaps a little time might bode well for accuracy purposes
>> (not saying I don't believe that this bird in particular is indeed a Tufted
>> Duck. David is a great birder for finding this bird!). Not to mention the
>> other birds throughout the state needing to be reviewed. It's a tough
>> job! Kudos to em.
>>
>> Jack Rogers
>> Mt Pleasant, SC
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Harry LeGrand <carolinabirds...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question to you South Carolina folks: Why has the record of Tufted
>>> Duck, with 10 excellent and confirming photographs on the eBird report, not
>>> yet been accepted by eBird -- yet all of the other Bulls Island rare birds
>>> for the same day (Feb. 2) and yesterday have been accepted? This has been
>>> done intentionally, but why? If I were the observers/photographers .....
>>>
>>> Harry LeGrand
>>> Raleigh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 8:59 PM, David McLean <carolinabirds...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sat 3 Feb 2018
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I was back on Bulls Island today on a field trip with the Charleston
>>>> Natural History Society. Along with a few other birders chasing the Tufted
>>>> Duck reported from Jack's Creek yesterday, we had numerous scopes looking
>>>> for the one Tufted Duck among a raft of 1600 Lesser Scaup and Ruddy Ducks
>>>> but came up empty. I feel that we had a better than even chance of seeing
>>>> the Tufted Duck had it been there in that large raft.
>>>>
>>>> When we were watching the Tufted Duck yesterday, Friday, it behaved
>>>> as though it was right at home. It was resting among many other ducks, was
>>>> interacting with those others as though it was just another Lesser Scaup,
>>>> and appeared well settled. Jack's is a big impoundment with many large open
>>>> areas that the LESC seem to favor, and we were unable to look into most of
>>>> those other areas today. The Tufted Duck could have easily been in another
>>>> area of Jack's. Hopefully if will be re-sighted by others in the next few
>>>> days.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> David McLean
>>>> Charleston, SC
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David C. McLean, Jr.
>>>> DCMcLean AT gmail DOT com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jack Rogers
>> Mt Pleasant, SC
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>
> --
> Jack Rogers
> Mt Pleasant, SC
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