Date: 2/1/18 2:27 pm
From: Robert O'Brien <baro...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Blue-winged Teal status
While looking for my own post on this subject of a year or two ago, I came
across this pertinent photo by Tom McNamara May 2014.

https://www.freelists.org/post/obol/Cinnamon-Teal-x-Bluewinged-Teal-Harriss-Sparrow-on-Sauvies

click on the 2nd url
bob obrien

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...>
wrote:

> Well…looking at some photos, I am now on the fence…
>
> The face does appear more like that of a Blue-winged Teal, with the eye
> arcs (though some Cinnamons show eye arcs that are not typically as pale),
> and the amount of whitish near the base of the bill.
>
> Considering that the drake appears to have some Blue-winged traits, maybe
> the female (duck) is a hybrid too.
>
> Usually these two species are obvious even in female plumage.
>
> Jeff Gilligan
>
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 10:42 AM, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...>
> wrote:
>
> Without doing any research (a dangerous proposition), my pinion is that
> the female is a very dull Cinnamon Teal.( By the way, I recently saw adult
> female Cinnamon Teal in Green Valley Arizona. It was on the CBC with a
> flock of wigeon.)
>
> The reasons that I am suggesting this are two:
> 1. The bill looks identical in size and shape to that of the male. A
> Cinnamon Teal has a larger bill than does a Blue-winged.
> 2. Though the plumage is generally less “warm” colored than that a
> typical Cinnamon, if one looks closely at the browner feathers one can see
> some reddish tones to them, though muted. Look then at photos of female
> Blue-winged Teal, which are not as “warm” colored as the subject bird.
>
> Though non-probative, consider Occam’s Razor - that the most obvious
> explanation is usually the correct one. In this case the bird is with a
> male Cinnamon Teal. They appear to be a pair. Sure, individuals of the
> two species can associate,, and rarely hybridize. In addition, Cinnamon
> Teal are much more regular in winter in Oregon than are Blue-wings, and
> migrant Cinnamons occur earlier in spring generally. Since western Oregon
> is having a mild winter, these may be early migrants.
>
> Jeff Gilligan
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Alan Contreras <acontrer56...> wrote:
>
> Blue-wings vary by year in their abundance in Oregon. Two years ago there
> were probably ten pairs around the Fern Ridge Royal Avenue dikes in summer;
> last year it was tough to find any at all. That’s true even at Malheur,
> where the species has become rather uncommon.
>
> Winter is another story. I have seen fewer than half a dozen Blue-wings in
> Oregon in winter, and half of those were on the s coast.
>
>
> Alan Contreras
> <acontrer56...>
>
> Eugene, Oregon
>
> www.alanlcontreras.com
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:19 AM, <shovelor...> wrote:
>
> Good info. When a bird is in question I usually lean towards the species
> that is most common in an area rather than assume a rarity. Cinnamons are
> all over the Willamette Valley.
>
> This situation happens all too often with blue wing teal in the W. Valley.
> So many reports of hens... but rarely ever a drake. With the similarity
> between the hens of both species, I always think it’s a stretch to go with
> blue wing (in our area) unless a drake is present.
>
> There is so much variation in waterfowl coloration present in all species.
>
> I appreciate this discourse and am always open to learning. Thanks.
>
> -Jon
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Bob Archer <rabican1...> wrote:
>
> The bird on right appears to be a Blue-winged due to cold plumage color
> (Cinn Teal are warmer in tone) Strong eye arcs, pale area above eye is
> broken in two, large obvious pale loral area, pale throat. Just overall
> stronger face pattern.
>
> The Cinnamon Teal on left looks like a first-winter male coming into his
> adult plumage aspect.
>
> Bob Archer
> PDX
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Alan Contreras <acontrer56...>
> wrote:
>
>> I think the question is whether the drake is a pure Cinnamon.
>>
>>
>> Alan Contreras
>> <acontrer56...>
>>
>> Eugene, Oregon
>>
>> www.alanlcontreras.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:48 AM, <shovelor...> wrote:
>>
>> What makes you so confident that the hen isn’t a cinnamon hen? From my
>> experience they are very similar, and seeing as it appears to be paired
>> with a cinnamon drake, and given the wintering location (where a blue wing
>> would be quite rare) this seems to be the most likely conclusion.
>>
>> Not trying to stir things up, but this appears to be a cinnamon teal
>> pair. Good birding!
>>
>> -Jon
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:09 AM, <jeffharding...> <
>> <jeffharding...> wrote:
>>
>> There were both Tree and Barn Swallows at Talking Water Gardens (Albany,
>> Linn County) yesterday. At least two of the Barn and one of the Tree, at
>> least two more I failed to get a good look at.
>>
>> There were two pairs of teal in the central channel. One of the hens was
>> a Blue-winged Teal, and the drake Cinnamon with it appeared to have
>> Blue-winged traits, extensive spotting on the sides, and a pale area in the
>> front of it's face. Here's a photo:
>> https://flic.kr/p/FQEGT5
>>
>> Good birding,
>> Jeff
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
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