Date: 9/17/17 9:18 am
From: Kris Perlberg <kris...>
Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
I’ve created a little map that might be helpful for those who are from out of town or unfamiliar with Lake Barney access.

https://flic.kr/p/YvN7PU <https://flic.kr/p/YvN7PU>


Kris Perlberg
Stoughton


> On Sep 17, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Steve Thiessen <stevethiessen...> wrote:
>
>
>
> The lake is best viewed from Cty M. It is on prison farm property. So don't
> enter. We walk in across from Caine Road. The field just south of the mule
> pastures is where the LeConte's have been seen. I believe the Nelson's
> wasn't seen today, 2 or 3 LeConte's were and a Henslow's. A Merlin and
> Peregrine were reported in the area. Some shorebirds come and go ,from the
> wet pasture. Steve Thiessen Stoughton Dane co.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitchell Nussbaum (Redacted sender "acornwithteeth" for DMARC)"
> <dmarc-noreply...>
> To: <jonesa97...>; <Wisbirdn...>; <tcwood729...>
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:02 AM
> Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>
>
>> I have the same question. How do you get near the lake? Someone from the
>> DNR sent a map that showed 2 parking lots, one on Fish Hatchery and the
>> other on County M. We parked in the one on "M" and tried to walk in. There
>> were paths that didn't go very far. So we ended up pulling over next to the
>> fence near the lake - there's a No Trespassing sign on the gate. So we
>> looked from there and saw lots of Canada geese, 1 Great egret, a Great blue
>> heron and some water birds that might have been mergansers.
>> - Genie OgdenMadison
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:31 PM, Austin Jones
>> <jonesa97...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> When birding Lake Barney, how do you access/what is the best area for
>> observing sparrows?
>>
>> This morning I went by and wasn't sure, so I drove down an access road
>> east
>> of the lake that appeared to head back towards the lake. I wasn't sure
>> whether this road was public or not.
>>
>> I didn't get a chance to walk around and explore, but I did happen to see
>> a
>> Peregrine catch what appeared to be a Kildeer on the flooded field. I was
>> initially wondering why the geese, doves, pigeons, gulls, and shorebirds
>> were all flying away at once -- and quickly realized who the culprit was.
>>
>> Austin
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 17:19 Tom Wood <tcwood729...> wrote:
>>
>>> I think many of us (me included) use the term "juvenile" a bit too
>>> loosely.
>>> Technically a bird is a juvenile from the time it acquires its first
>>> plumage
>>> after hatching until it acquires basic plumage.
>>> The description of the molt of LeConte's Sparrow in "Birds of North
>>> America"
>>> is actually quite complex, indicating that it undergoes a partial molt as
>>> early as September on the breeding grounds and extending into October and
>>> November on the wintering grounds.
>>> This partial molt does not include the primaries and secondaries or tail
>>> feathers, but does include body plumage. Thus, the birds we see in
>>> migration
>>> can be in a transition state between juvenile and basic plumage.
>>> The following is a brief summary of juvenile plumage from "Birds of North
>>> America" :
>>>
>>> "Juvenile LeConte's Sparrows are superficially similar to adults. Buff on
>>> face, throat, and breast is duller, crown stripe with buff, nape buffy,
>>> almost unstreaked, and breast with fine streaking."
>>>
>>> I guess we are lucky that the streaking on the nape shows up in the
>>> photos
>>> that have been presented. An ominous warning appears in BNA's description
>>> of
>>> juvenile plumage:
>>>
>>> "Sufficiently similar to Nelson's Sharp-tailed Sparrow that some
>>> descriptions of Juvenile-plumaged Nelson's Sharp-tailed Sparrow were
>>> actually based on a juvenile LeConte's Sparrow specimen."
>>>
>>> This emphasizes Steve's point about the difficulty in trying to identify
>>> these young sparrows.
>>> Thomas Wood, Menomonee Falls, Waukesha County
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <wisbirdn-bounce...>
>>> [mailto:<wisbirdn-bounce...>]
>>> On Behalf Of Kenneth Younger
>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:42 PM
>>> To: <gseegert...>
>>> Cc: Thomas Wood; <trschultz...>; <Wisbirdn...>
>>> Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>>>
>>> Sibley's guide has a differentiated sketch for the juvenile. Generally
>>> less
>>> bold and crisp, more buffy in the belly than white. More buffy overall
>>> than
>>> orange. He also notes "broad, pale stripes" on the back, but the line
>>> from
>>> that text is pointing to the dark stripes on the illustration. Odd.
>>> -Kenny
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2017 4:22 PM, "Seegert, Greg" <gseegert...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom S
>>>> Thanks for weighing in on this ID. It's not a form I recall seeing
>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> I think sparrows breed the year after they are born. If that is true,
>>>> is there any difference between a juvenile and an immature LeConte's
>>> sparrow?
>>>> If there is could someone explain the difference?
>>>>
>>>> Greg Seegert
>>>> Beaver Dam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: <wisbirdn-bounce...>
>>>> [mailto:<wisbirdn-bounce...>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Tom Schultz
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:50 PM
>>>> To: <tcwood729...>; <Wisbirdn...>
>>>> Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>>>>
>>>> I also agree with the ID as LeConte's Sparrow -- a juvenile or
>>>> immature.
>>>> This seems to be a plumage that isn't often documented/photographed
>>>> for this species.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Schultz
>>>> Green Lake Co.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tom Wood
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:26 PM
>>>> To: <Wisbirdn...>
>>>> Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Le Conte's, Kris. The orange face, gray auriculars, and
>>>> small bill narrow it down to either Le Conte's or Nelson's Sparrows.
>>>> Since Nelson's would have a plain gray nape and dark gray median crown
>>>> stripe, and the bird you photographed has many spots on the nape and a
>>>> white median crown stripe, this must be the Le Conte's. It's nice that
>>>> you got several angles of this bird.
>>>> Thomas Wood, Menomonee Falls, Waukesha County
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: <wisbirdn-bounce...>
>>>> [mailto:<wisbirdn-bounce...>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Kris Perlberg
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:23 PM
>>>> To: wisb
>>>> Subject: [wisb] Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>>>>
>>>> A beautiful morning!
>>>> Shawn M. and I started searching for Nelson and LeConte Sparrows
>>>> around
>>>> 7:30 and were joined about 30 min. later by Steve T, Nolan P., Jim S.
>>>> who got on a Nelsonââ,¬â"¢s almost immediately. We all got pretty
>>>> good looks at it as it popped out of some grapevines and then even
>>>> better looks at it flew east and landed on the rope fence. Greg S
>>>> showed up around the time we found the Nelson's and he and Shawn
>>>> flushed
>>> a
>>> possible LeConteââ,¬â"¢s Sparrow.
>>>> It was determined to remain low in the grass and out of sight but it
>>>> eventually popped up high enough for us to get some pretty good views
>>>> and I was able to snap some photos.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice to get other opinions on this bird as it was very
>>>> light colored and rather drab so probably not an adult.
>>>>
>>>> Here is my eBird checklist with photos if others want to weigh in:
>>>>
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