Date: 9/17/17 8:48 am
From: Steve Thiessen <stevethiessen...>
Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows


The lake is best viewed from Cty M. It is on prison farm property. So don't
enter. We walk in across from Caine Road. The field just south of the mule
pastures is where the LeConte's have been seen. I believe the Nelson's
wasn't seen today, 2 or 3 LeConte's were and a Henslow's. A Merlin and
Peregrine were reported in the area. Some shorebirds come and go ,from the
wet pasture. Steve Thiessen Stoughton Dane co.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitchell Nussbaum (Redacted sender "acornwithteeth" for DMARC)"
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To: <jonesa97...>; <Wisbirdn...>; <tcwood729...>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 12:02 AM
Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows


>I have the same question. How do you get near the lake? Someone from the
>DNR sent a map that showed 2 parking lots, one on Fish Hatchery and the
>other on County M. We parked in the one on "M" and tried to walk in. There
>were paths that didn't go very far. So we ended up pulling over next to the
>fence near the lake - there's a No Trespassing sign on the gate. So we
>looked from there and saw lots of Canada geese, 1 Great egret, a Great blue
>heron and some water birds that might have been mergansers.
> - Genie OgdenMadison
> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:31 PM, Austin Jones
> <jonesa97...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
> When birding Lake Barney, how do you access/what is the best area for
> observing sparrows?
>
> This morning I went by and wasn't sure, so I drove down an access road
> east
> of the lake that appeared to head back towards the lake. I wasn't sure
> whether this road was public or not.
>
> I didn't get a chance to walk around and explore, but I did happen to see
> a
> Peregrine catch what appeared to be a Kildeer on the flooded field. I was
> initially wondering why the geese, doves, pigeons, gulls, and shorebirds
> were all flying away at once -- and quickly realized who the culprit was.
>
> Austin
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 17:19 Tom Wood <tcwood729...> wrote:
>
>> I think many of us (me included) use the term "juvenile" a bit too
>> loosely.
>> Technically a bird is a juvenile from the time it acquires its first
>> plumage
>> after hatching until it acquires basic plumage.
>> The description of the molt of LeConte's Sparrow in "Birds of North
>> America"
>> is actually quite complex, indicating that it undergoes a partial molt as
>> early as September on the breeding grounds and extending into October and
>> November on the wintering grounds.
>> This partial molt does not include the primaries and secondaries or tail
>> feathers, but does include body plumage. Thus, the birds we see in
>> migration
>> can be in a transition state between juvenile and basic plumage.
>> The following is a brief summary of juvenile plumage from "Birds of North
>> America" :
>>
>> "Juvenile LeConte's Sparrows are superficially similar to adults. Buff on
>> face, throat, and breast is duller, crown stripe with buff, nape buffy,
>> almost unstreaked, and breast with fine streaking."
>>
>> I guess we are lucky that the streaking on the nape shows up in the
>> photos
>> that have been presented. An ominous warning appears in BNA's description
>> of
>> juvenile plumage:
>>
>> "Sufficiently similar to Nelson's Sharp-tailed Sparrow that some
>> descriptions of Juvenile-plumaged Nelson's Sharp-tailed Sparrow were
>> actually based on a juvenile LeConte's Sparrow specimen."
>>
>> This emphasizes Steve's point about the difficulty in trying to identify
>> these young sparrows.
>> Thomas Wood, Menomonee Falls, Waukesha County
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <wisbirdn-bounce...>
>> [mailto:<wisbirdn-bounce...>]
>> On Behalf Of Kenneth Younger
>> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:42 PM
>> To: <gseegert...>
>> Cc: Thomas Wood; <trschultz...>; <Wisbirdn...>
>> Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>>
>> Sibley's guide has a differentiated sketch for the juvenile. Generally
>> less
>> bold and crisp, more buffy in the belly than white. More buffy overall
>> than
>> orange. He also notes "broad, pale stripes" on the back, but the line
>> from
>> that text is pointing to the dark stripes on the illustration. Odd.
>> -Kenny
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2017 4:22 PM, "Seegert, Greg" <gseegert...> wrote:
>>
>> > Tom S
>> > Thanks for weighing in on this ID.¬ It's not a form I recall seeing
>> before.
>> >
>> > I think sparrows breed the year after they are born.¬ If that is true,
>> > is there any difference between a juvenile and an immature LeConte's
>> sparrow?
>> > If there is could someone explain the difference?
>> >
>> > Greg Seegert
>> > Beaver Dam
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: <wisbirdn-bounce...>
>> > [mailto:<wisbirdn-bounce...>]
>> > On Behalf Of Tom Schultz
>> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:50 PM
>> > To: <tcwood729...>; <Wisbirdn...>
>> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>> >
>> > I also agree with the ID as LeConte's Sparrow -- a juvenile or
>> > immature.
>> > This seems to be a plumage that isn't often documented/photographed
>> > for this species.
>> >
>> > Tom Schultz
>> > Green Lake Co.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Tom Wood
>> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:26 PM
>> > To: <Wisbirdn...>
>> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>> >
>> > I agree with Le Conte's, Kris. The orange face, gray auriculars, and
>> > small bill narrow it down to either Le Conte's or Nelson's Sparrows.
>> > Since Nelson's would have a plain gray nape and dark gray median crown
>> > stripe, and the bird you photographed has many spots on the nape and a
>> > white median crown stripe, this must be the Le Conte's. It's nice that
>> > you got several angles of this bird.
>> > Thomas Wood, Menomonee Falls, Waukesha County
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: <wisbirdn-bounce...>
>> > [mailto:<wisbirdn-bounce...>]
>> > On Behalf Of Kris Perlberg
>> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:23 PM
>> > To: wisb
>> > Subject: [wisb] Lake Barney Fall Sparrows
>> >
>> > A beautiful morning!
>> > Shawn M. and I started searching for Nelson and LeConte Sparrows
>> > around
>> > 7:30 and were joined about 30 min. later by Steve T, Nolan P., Jim S.
>> > who got on a Nelson√Ę‚,¨‚"Ęs almost immediately.¬ We all got pretty
>> > good looks at it as it popped out of some grapevines and then even
>> > better looks at it flew east and landed on the rope fence. Greg S
>> > showed up around the time we found the Nelson's and he and Shawn
>> > flushed
>> a
>> possible LeConte√Ę‚,¨‚"Ęs Sparrow.
>> > It was determined to remain low in the grass and out of sight but it
>> > eventually popped up high enough for us to get some pretty good views
>> > and I was able to snap some photos.
>> >
>> > It would be nice to get other opinions on this bird as it was very
>> > light colored and rather drab so probably not an adult.
>> >
>> > Here is my eBird checklist with photos if others want to weigh in:
>> >
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