Date: 8/2/17 4:43 am
From: Haans Petruschke <haans42...>
Subject: Re: [Ohio-birds] Ohio Div of Wildlife Survey
​Hi,

As I recall, having done the survey before this thread started, After
arranging the priorities, you are also given the opportunity to make
additional suggestions to the Division of Wildlife. ​

Survey design is always a compromise. While in many cases surveys are
designed to support a desired conclusion, I did not find that to be the
case in this instance. The Division of Wildlife does have a mission that is
spelled out in its charter. The survey does reflect that mission.

Too often people do not understand or misinterpret the mission of such
agencies and do not understand that the agency must stay within the
parameter of its charter. For example the Division of Forestry has a
mission that is centered around managing forests for logging, not
preservation of natural areas, as so many might think.

It is a credit to the Ohio Department of Natural Resources, that it has
allowed the various divisions to expand the scope of their mission in the
broadest possible terms, to include areas that fall into recreation,
general conservation and otherwise promoting the general welfare of Ohioans
beyond the original intent of the agency's charter.

Haans


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Steve Cagan <steve...> wrote:

> Mary, my problem is not with recognizing the things that Haans pointed out
> (we do buy wildlife and waterfowl stamps—though I have to admit we’re late
> this year). it’s that the way the survey is organized, you have to organize
> the ten items in a way that at least for me, does not at all represent my
> priorities—it looks like you’re expressing opinions, but they are not
> actually what you think. This is not confined to this survey; it’s all too
> common in surveys: “list the following things in the order of importance to
> you,” when in fact there’s only one item that’s important to you...
>
>
> > On Aug 1, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Mary Warren <windbird...> wrote:
> >
> > Hans makes some very good points. Birders unite and let your voices be
> heard. And be willing to pay for access to birding places in Ohio. Tell the
> Division of Wildlife what you think. Do the survey. They are asking for
> your thoughts, I hope they are listening also.
> >
> > Sent from my iPod
> >
> >> On Aug 1, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Haans Petruschke <haans42...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Keep in mind who pays the bills for the Division of Wildlife. It is
> >> Hunters and Fisherpeople. Unless they buy a Wildlife legacy stamp,
> check
> >> off on their state tax return, or have a Wildlife license plate, birders
> >> make zero financial contribution. Yet they use wildlife areas
> >> extensively. If you want the division to pay more attention to the
> >> binocular crowd, rather than the hook and bullet community, why not
> suggest
> >> a means for birders to also make a financial contribution? An annual
> pass
> >> to use state wildlife areas might be a way? Maybe if the division
> charged
> >> a daily entry fee at Magee Marsh it would raise a tiny fraction of the
> >> revenue that hunting and fishing licenses, plus duck stamps, generate to
> >> preserve and maintain wildlife areas?
> >>
> >> Ohio is fairly unique in that we have free access to all of these
> areas, as
> >> well as state parks and metroparks. In many other states birders often
> >> have to pay to enter birding areas owned by the state or local park
> system.
> >>
> >> Preserving bird and birding habitat happens by making a financial
> >> contribution to the entities that actually own and manage the land.
> >>
> >> Keep that in mind when you fill out the survey
> >>
> >> Haans
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Lyn Boone <boonel...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree, Steve, that the choices in the survey are all "stacked" toward
> >>> hunting/fishing. I took the survey, ranked the options, then used the
> >>> comments box to say that wildlife viewing, appreciation, and
> conservation
> >>> should have equal time.
> >>> Lyn Boone
> >>> Granville, Ohio
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