Date: 7/16/17 2:34 pm
From: Tom Crabtree <tc...>
Subject: [obol] Re: Stymied by a Sparrow
I just photographed a family of Savannah Sparrows today in willows and ponderosa pines adjacent to Ryan’s Meadow in the Deschutes National Forest today. That behavior is fairly common over here.



Tom Crabtree, Bend



From: <obol-bounce...> [mailto:<obol-bounce...>] On Behalf Of David Irons
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:03 PM
To: Robert O'Brien
Cc: Jeff Gilligan; <pandmnosler...>; OBOL Birders Online
Subject: [obol] Re: Stymied by a Sparrow



I've seen Savannah Sparrows in trees (often in flocks) on many occasions. While not found in forests per se, perching in trees at the margins of their normal habitat is typical behavior.



Dave Irons

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Robert O'Brien <baro...> wrote:

Well the third leg of ID after feathers and structure is expectation and behavior.

Savannah Sparrows are not normally (ever?) found hopping around among trees while Chipping Sparrows are.

On the other hand, my son Chris (Eagle Creek) and I have almost never seen Chipping in these parts, and only in fall, while Savannah are occasional and scattered breeders, but around infrequently.



As for me, I'd not venture a guess on the ID of this bird. Might be a good idea to send it into the ABA Birding Magazine which has featured immature sparrows recently. A very interesting bird.

Bob OBrien Carver OR



On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...> wrote:

It is a difficult one, but I too am more in the Savannah Camp.



Jeff gilligan





On Jul 15, 2017, at 10:24 PM, David Irons <LLSDIRONS...> wrote:



This Chipping Sparrow has a remarkably strong malar mark, more so than any I can remember seeing. I almost wonder if it's a Clay-colored X Chipping hybrid. It is quite buffy on the breast and the median crown stripe is really defined. I wouldn't really call the the breast of this bird streaked. After clear-breasted sparrows (as adults) like Chipping, White-crowned and Golden-crowned lose their juvenile streaking on the underparts they often retain this shadowy quasi-streaked appearance on the breast. First-winter Golden-crowned Sparrows show this at least until their first spring.



I can't turn Phil's bird into a Chipping for a variety of reasons, most notably the absence of dark in the lores and the apparent yellow in the supraloral area.



Dave Irons




_____


From: Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:02 AM
To: DAVID IRONS; <pandmnosler...>; OBOL Birders Online
Subject: Re: [obol] Stymied by a Sparrow





On Jul 15, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...> wrote:



David/Phil; and all



Here is a very young Chipping sparrow with similar underparts in regard to the fineness of the streaking and its extent, with the fine streaking ending abruptly at the lower chest. It also shows a very strong malar streak, even stronger than Phil’s bird.

.



http://www.lloydspitalnikphotos.com/d/2955-5/chipping_sparrow_F5R1791.jpg



True, Phil’s bird lacks dark lores, so that is a big problem for it being a Chipping Sparrow.



Jeff Gilligan



























On Jul 15, 2017, at 3:28 PM, David Irons <LLSDIRONS...> wrote:




Phil, Jeff et al.,



I would be interested to know exactly where along the Clackamas River this bird was seen and photographed. Juvenile sparrows, specifically Spizella are really challenging to ID at times. My first instinct was to presume this was presume Chipping, as that would seem to be the most likely species. However, there are number of features that point way from Chipping as a candidate. First, the lores are pale with no suggestion of the dark eyeline extending in front of the eye (between the bill and the eye). Note that the juv. Chipping Sparrow at the link that Jeff provides shows dark lores, which is typical of all ages of Chipping Sparrow.



The second problem with calling this a Chipping is the sparseness of the streaking below and how fine the streaking is on the underparts. Juvenile Chipping Sparrows show rather heavy streaking that extends all the way down the underparts at this season. Hatch-year Chipping Sparrows seem to hold their juvenile plumage, or at least elements of it, longer than other sparrow species. They typically show extensive streaking below well into August and sometimes early September. This streaking extends fairly evenly well down on the underparts (as seen on the bird at Jeff's link) with no cutoff at mid-breast. Phil's bird is at best sparsely and finely streaked below and there seems to be a marked cutoff to the streaking (except along the flanks) about mid-breast. This look is more typical of Lincoln's and Savannah Sparrows and not at all typical of a juvenile Chipping Sparrow.



Another issue as it relates to Chipping Sparrow is the combination of a strong dark malar mark below the broad defined tan moustachial stripe, which are quite prominent on Phil's bird. Chipping Sparrows, even juvs, typically show a very weak malar mark and a poorly-defined to absent moustachial stripe. This prominent malar and broad tan moustachial stripe above it are good marks for Lincoln's Sparrow and Savannah. There is one photo that seems to show quite a bit of yellow in the supraloral area (forward section of the supercilious), which points to Savannah Sparrow.



The fairly conspicuous wingbars pretty much rule out Lincoln's in my opinion. This bird also doesn't seem to be dark enough above for a Lincoln's. This is a very challenging bird, but I would lean in the direction of it being a Savannah Sparrow, with no farms wagered. Over the years I taken a number of photos of juvenile Chipping, Brewer's, Savannah Sparrows and I don't recall seeing one that looked quite like this bird.



Dave Irons

Beaverton, OR














_____


From: <obol-bounce...> <obol-bounce...> on behalf of Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10...>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:12 PM
To: <pandmnosler...>
Cc: OBOL Birders Online
Subject: [obol] Re: Stymied by a Sparrow



It looks like an immature Chipping Sparrow to me. Not much unlike the one in this link:



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TPWed3zx2Wo/UdIQeznRF4I/AAAAAAAACGw/HRN8PI2MAus/s1426/IMG_7609.JPG

<https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TPWed3zx2Wo/UdIQeznRF4I/AAAAAAAACGw/HRN8PI2MAus/s1426/IMG_7609.JPG>





Young Chippies tend o show up in somewhat unexpected locations this time of year. The bold post-ocular line, prominent malar stripe and moustachial line, and pale bill all look good for a Chippie to me.



Jeff gilligan









On Jul 15, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Peter Nosler <pandmnosler...> wrote:



Hello, OBOL

Can anyone please offer an identification for this sparrow? I found it along the Clackamas River today. I was thinking it might be a Spizella of some sort, but I can't find any images that really match this bird well. I also thought it might be a Lincoln's Sparrow, but I didn't see any silver above the eye, which always stands out to me on a Lincoln's Sparrow. Maybe it's an off looking or juvenile Savannah Sparrow?

You can see four pictures of the bird here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/127388251@N04/

Thanks for your help,

Phil Nosler






 
Join us on Facebook!