Date: 7/3/17 10:11 am
From: Ms Sheryl DeVore <sheryl_1956...> [ILbirds] <ILbirds-noreply...>
Subject: Re: Re: IBET King Rail @ Bartel Grassland 7-2-17 (No sighting)
I appreciate reading Steve's and Keith's posts. I just want to say that posting on IBET exactly where an endangered species is located is not necessary for scientists who are looking for information  -- you can report that information directly to the scientists themselves. Maybe i can put together a list sometime of some of those folks, for example, the head of the Illinois Endangered Species Protection Board, etc., and hey, you've got Steve's and Keith's emails right here.
That might be beneficial information for all to have as well as the list Steve included of all the T&E species in the state. 

All best 

 Sheryl De VoreMundelein, <Illinoissheryl_1956...>

On Monday, July 3, 2017 11:19 AM, "'Mcmullen, Keith A CIV USARMY CEMVS (US)' <Keith.A.Mcmullen...> [ILbirds]" <ILbirds-noreply...> wrote:


  Steve,

All valid points and thanks for sharing. I know you know, we can e-mail, call, write, shout, however we wish to communicate and many folks still won't get it. I know the T & E species in Illinois as part of my job as well, but despite that, many of those on the list are safely observed and even photographed by many birders without causing any harm. For example, I don't plan on NOT telling people where LITTLE BLUE HERONS and SNOWY EGRETS are foraging. I really don't have any intel on where they are nesting and IF I did, yes, I would not post the location of the nests.

I'm not disagreeing with anything you've stated, I'm just stating that if ALL information about the location of these T & E species in Illinois is withheld then how would researchers and avid birders like you and I even know about them? Some information shouldn't be shared with some people, but the great thing about IBET, eBIRD, and IBF (when we had it) is that news and information about the birds we all love is being shared by the community for all of us to enjoy, no matter what our purpose. The sighting information, the photographs, all of that, is essential to eBIRD data, to seasonal reports in Meadowlark (plug for IOS!) and North American Birds (plug for ABA)!

If we all practice good ethics in our birding endeavors, our example, hopefully, is emulated in the newer generation of birders we lead. That's the best we can hope for!

I'm just curious if we can expect an "after-the-fact" story about the rarity in Chicago? I would love to hear more about it.

Good birdings,

Keith McMullen
O'Fallon, IL
<Warbler7...>

-----Original Message-----
From: <ILbirds...> [mailto:<ILbirds...>] On Behalf Of 'Bailey, Steven D' <sdbailey...> [ILbirds]
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 10:44 AM
To: IBET (<ILbirds...>) <ILbirds...>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: IBET King Rail @ Bartel Grassland 7-2-17 (No sighting)

Amazingly, after putting a post up on IBET just two days ago on the morals, ethics (& laws) in relation to birders actions with breeding threatened and endangered species in Illinois, someone puts up a post giving exact directions to a state endangered King Rail AND their small young! Seriously! Just the kind of thing that you DON'T want to do. I know that there are a lot of birders in this state that just want to make another check mark on their life lists, and don't really want to know or learn much of anything else about the birds that they seemingly enjoy, but the least that they could do, would be to learn the 31 species of state threatened and endangered birds... and act appropriately after they've found one. That's not much to have to ask for is it? You might also want to learn a little more care and ethical behavior when discussing such species on a public forum like IBET. So, I've taken the time to list those species, below. And please don't give out exact directions to another threatened and endangered species and their young. Good ethical/moral birding.

Illinois T&E bird species

24 Endangered, 7 Threatened

Endangered

Short-eared Owl

Upland Sandpiper

American Bittern

Swainson's Hawk

** Piping Plover

Black Tern

Northern Harrier

Little Blue Heron

Snowy Egret

Common Gallinule

Loggerhead Shrike

Black Rail

Swainson's Warbler

Yellow-crowned Night-Heron

Black-crowned Night-Heron

Osprey

Wilson's Phalarope

King Rail

Forster's Tern

Common Tern

** Least Tern

Bewick's Wren

Greater Prairie-Chicken

Yellow-headed Blackbird

Threatened

* Rufa Red Knot

Chuck-will's-widow

Black-billed Cuckoo

Cerulean Warbler

Mississippi Kite

Least Bittern

Barn Owl

** = State & Federally Endangered

* = State & Federally Threatened

Steve Bailey

Mundelein (Lake County)

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