Date: 2/28/17 1:58 pm
From: wrenyen <medea.steinman...>
Subject: Re: [Maine-birds] Re: Owl again
Thanks for those links. All interesting and they led me to others.
Including this one on the very subject of this thread:
http://www.audubon.org/news/why-closer-not-always-better-when-photographing-birds.
It's a neat article with three superb and stunning images.

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 1:52:19 PM UTC-5, Scott Creamer wrote:
>
> How close was the photographer in these shots
>
> Link #1 won a prize from the Audubon
>
> http://www.audubon.org/news/11-fun-facts-about-owls
>
>
> Link #2 has a head shot maybe 40 feet away of a great gray owl while
> talking about global warming
>
> http://climate.audubon.org/birds/grgowl/great-gray-owl
>
>
> Todays cover of the Audubon is 10 feet away from waterfowl?
>
> http://www.audubon.org/
>
>
> Yesterdays lead article of the Audubon the photographer is so close you
> can see the reflection of the photographer in the birds eye, where the bird
> itself is clearly on a nest. I few ethical no no-s in one shot
>
>
>
> http://www.audubon.org/news/proposed-wyoming-bill-allowing-sage-grouse-captive-rearing-deeply-flawed
>
>
> Look to the right on this very page, you'll see an ad for American Birding
> Association Birders Guide to Gear with a photographer 8 to 10 feet away
> from a bird.
>
>
> So here are examples of both the Audubon and the ABA not following their
> own ethical guidelines for content on their own websites. The Audubon
> sponsors a photography contest every year, charges per picture to enter. I
> bet most photos in that contest don't follow all of the guidelines. Were
> the animals in the above photos stresses to starvation, being prevented
> from thriving in any way, did any die? I don't know it wasn't mentioned in
> the articles, but I’d bet they were not.
>
>
> The point? A 600 MM lens is no where near the magnification of a 60X top
> of the line scope. For some to get a decent shot of the animal (and it's
> truly no ones business to that person motives) they need to be 100 feet
> away from a bird 3 feet tall, closer if its smaller. $6K for a camera and
> $12K for a lens can get you some nice shots but not at 300 to 500 feet from
> the car, through a hill. So if both the ABA and the Audubon can use content
> from the vilified "long lens photographers" for fund raising purposes
> perhaps you should aim some of the anger at those institutions. A better
> suggestion is to look at the world in shades of gray and not in terms of
> black and white. These sites are a powerful force for conservation, at a
> time when it is the governing party seems not to care about the
> environment. Think big picture. If there are 20 folks staring at an owl,
> chances are they are there for the right reasons. Consider not having a
> reflexive reaction to every guy/gal in a field with a camera. Discussions
> like the ones we are currently having, based on calm facts, research and
> articles from reputable sources can sway opinion. You can catch more flies
> with honey than you can with vinegar.
>
>
> Just food for thought for the group.
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:40:08 PM UTC-5, <trit......>
> wrote:
>>
>> Amen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2017, at 12:10, Kristen Lindquist <kelin......> wrote:
>>
>> Could we PLEASE stop going back and forth on this, stop the criticisms on
>> both sides, stop pretending we know what disturbs a bird or not, and just
>> USE COMMON SENSE? In other words, follow the ABA Code of Birding
>> Ethics--(here's a link; everyone should read it:
>> http://listing.aba.org/ethics/), it was instituted for this purpose, we
>> don't need to reinvent the wheel--and be nice to one another. Please.
>>
>> Kristen
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Seth Davis <kd7......> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes making the comparison between an Owl and a Warbler is not by any
>>> means equal. But my argument is that the owl has been seen hunting and
>>> eating rodents despite the presence of people in the field thus one can't
>>> really claim that people are preventing it from hunting (which a majority
>>> of is done at night when people are very unlikely to still be there
>>> anyway). To be fair, I've only seen one person say that people were
>>> encroaching on the 20-30 foot distance, while most others claim to be
>>> 100-300 feet if not further away.
>>>
>>> And the second part of my argument is that people are way too quick to
>>> jump and say that taking photos is harassment or that being X distance from
>>> a bird automatically = harassment. With the last GGOW in Milford, if you
>>> parked on one side of a two lane road, you were good, you parked on the
>>> other you were harassing the owl. I think there needs to be a clear
>>> distinction between true harassment and what at most could be considered a
>>> disturbance.
>>>
>>> Lastly, I am an amateur photographer and I took several hundred photos
>>> of the GGOW in Milford. I did it for me not anybody else. I want to look
>>> back and see the birds that I've had the pleasure to witness and share
>>> those experiences with my friends and family. I personally don't think I
>>> should feel shamed or looked down on because I took a picture of an owl. I
>>> didn't violate any part of birding ethics, and nobody I witnessed there did
>>> either, and from a vast majority of the posts I see with the Searsmont
>>> GGOW, people are continuing to do more of the same, with maybe one or two
>>> reported instances of people crossing the line, which has yet to be well
>>> defined anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:08:43 AM UTC-5, BAB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if the controversy over the great gray might not be solved
>>>> with an appeal to respecting comfort distances. While it's true a warbler
>>>> can still find food in its immediate vicinity even with a photographer 25
>>>> feet away, it's quite different for an owl that needs a hay field to hunt
>>>> over. Professional wildlife photographers don't harass their target
>>>> species. What is the purpose of an amateur needing to get so close,
>>>> especially with a 500mm lens? Is it for stock images? There are currently
>>>> more than enough excellent stock photos of great gray owls, and any
>>>> additional images would yield about $0.75 in that particular market. Or is
>>>> getting close just a personal objective, sort of like Hemingway proving he
>>>> can still shoot one more elephant? If you love the wildlife you are
>>>> pursuing with a camera, why would you purposely harass the animal? If you
>>>> don't love your wild photographic targets, perhaps it's time to move on to
>>>> landscapes, architecture, or portraits.
>>>>
>>>> BAB
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bruce Bartrug
>>>> Nobleboro, Maine, USA
>>>> <bbar......>
>>>> www.brucebartrug.com
>>>>
>>>> •The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but
>>>> because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein
>>>> •In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the
>>>> silence of our friends. -Martin Luther King
>>>>
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